That is not a Yamaha?
What happened to that?
Ignore me. I am just plain old jealous.
Nice buy mate.
Looking forward to seeing it in Mittagong.
Stick the wife and kids in the car and give them a push northwards.
No excuses

can we say ....welcome to the zorst club ? yippee !!! another member

once you hear it halo you will never go back .....grin (love them staintunes ol mate )

Yes Charlie l really like them as well and it's a recent new purchase from the last owner

folk behind me tell me that the Staintune sounds amazing....found a nice tunnel and wow after 4000RPM ....need to get the sound recorded....anyhow I think you will enjoy it muchly.

Nice buy. Halo. Is that one of the special edition Ks??

Yes Alby quite pretty really nice blue and pearl its a para lever bike as well didn't know they did them that far back
What was special about them besides the paint job Alby?

If its an 86 it is not a SE they were the very last of the 8V engines in the RS (1989) and there was not an 8V made that had a paralever so its a bittsa. Still a good buy but not a genuine SE.

Rick don't understand sorry this is a para lever & says 3/86

Simple its had a paralever added. All that is needed is the gearbox with the right mount for the lower arm and a paralever setup and it falls in.
I noticed it has the K100 RS 16V foot peg plates as well. The paralever didn't hit the streets till April 1989 in Australia and Jan 89 in Europe and US

So a 16V paralever and gearbox , staintune exhaust that doesnt sound cheap do you think the paint jobs original Rick G
PS you really seem to know your models
Klompy that sounds fantastic cant wait to fire her up tommorrow to hear the pipe they even put a new battery in

Hey Rossco your not wrong about the yamaha purchase though that was my wifes barganing chip, Would love to take her up at xmas but fear I will be out voted but there is early next year and what better excuse to blow the cob webs out Rossco and RT

I cant see really well what the condition is but looks like some chips on the fairing. If it is a replica paint job it's very good even the wheels are white. The gearboxes are esentially the same except for the lower mounts for the lower arm which are on most boxes from about 90 onwards and not drilled for the bolt unless the paralever was fitted. The swingarm mounts are the same and output shaft takes the two piece drive shaft. The wheel base is about 50mm longer and rear shock 30mm longer because the lower mount is back futher.
It could well be from an SE or even had a frame replaced after a crash. These bikes have been round for near 30 years and a lot of upgrades have been done by owners and heaps of changes after repairs from crashes. One thing that makes some odd bikes are the police bikes that are converted to dual seat by using seats and ducktails from write offs. I saw a K1100LT with seat and ducktail from an 84 K100 a few weeks ago and when I said to the owner that it was ex police he swore black was blue it was factory original. I saw a K75 with a R80 RT front end once.

Thanks Rick G thats great information, the fairings tank etc all original the crack was from a drop this year when the tried to move it
So he has gone and put a gearbox paralever wheels and all fairings and tank and pegs brackets from other bikes now thats interesting l wonder if the engine was always black

Nice one Halo, always loved that two tone blue special edition colour scheme.

Paul.

Halo wrote:cant wait to fire her up tommorrow to hear the pipe they even put a new battery in

you could wait till tommorrow ....wow ! im impressed ....

hoping for news on the startup ......

Halo, here are a couple of pics from the '89 rider's equipment and '90 motorcycle equipment brochures.





Cheers,

Paul.

Great pictures Paul thanks very much I've captured those.
Well I checked the 86 paralever RS out and replaced oil but no need for any other fluids as whilst the bike has been sitting for 4 years it was just serviced prior to storage. All filters etc looked brand new.
The bike wouldn't start it turns out the fuel pump has seized and the rubber/foam seat has dissolved as usual.
I took the pump from my 84 RS and did the following Mod that I wouldn't do for the 84 RS but did for this one for now.





Fitted to the bike and she started and sounded sweet as but then stopped and wouldn't start.
I detailed her abit she is no immac restore but I am still tickled pink
end of the day
New Staintune muffler
Paralever & gearbox from a 16V model
New matching tyres
New airfilters etc
Really great condition paniers
A showa (excuse the spelling) rear shock
The SE 89 model fairings & tank
No reg though
$1600 all up







Halo

noice halo enjoy mate !...wont take much to get her going by the sound of it .....just replace all the rubbery bits going to and from the fuel rail (inside tank included ) a new fuel filter ..and hope fully no rubber made it to the injectors....got some nice bits there too ....what a win !!!

hey do us a favour ....take a pic from the back along the wheel lines eh ? and what rear tyre is on that ? (looking to see if there is an offset to the right a little )



looks like a standard rim off the old series to me, so should be a 130 x 80 x 17 ?

Yes Charlie looks like a standard old rim the tyre is 130 X 90 X17 the Michilin tyre is a Macadam any good ?



Halo

Thats looking good Halo. Looking again the footpeg plates are K1100 and I would say the paralever is as well the lower arm is a pressed steel and the Showa shockie are standard post 1994 K1100. Check the ratio of the drive it will be stamped next to the breather on the machined surface. You may be lucky and have a 2.75 which will give good fuel consumption.

That rear wheel looks offset to the right. There is a difference in offset from the Y spoke to the 3 spoke. Me and Charlie measured them at my place once but didn't find any difference but there apparently is.
If you put the K100RS 16V wheels on you will feel the difference with a radial tyre.

Rick states 31/11 on the FD will the K1100 rim/tyre fit on the K100
Was the K1100 para better than the 16V K100 para
Thanks Halo

That works out to 2.81 which is from a K1100RS. The bits are esentially the same except for the lower arm and there is something about the case of the drive but I can't remember what now.
The wheels of a K11LT or RS will fit and also K100RS 16V but the LT wheels are narrower and designed for Bias ply tyres.
The front wheel is a PITA to change because of the different discs and calipers but it certainly not impossible to put the wide K1100RS wheel on the front. The big difference on the front is the mounting of the Calipers is 12mm closer to the axle on a K100 than K1100.
I have seen a conversion plate that Larry Ronstat from Special Ks in LA made to adapt the calipers.
http://specialks.net/index.php?p=1_13_87K75-Special-BEAUTY- Have a look at the caliper adapter on this one, and all the rest of his bikes as well they are works of art.

Thanks Rick G
Halo

Halo, I want your bike. Just send it up to Sydney please. Looking forward to it. Kthxbai.

I never had a problem with fuel pump, but I am wondering if anyone tried with fuel pump mounted outside the fuel tank, I remember some later model of VW beetle (1600) had outside electric fuel pump. Any experience with that?

i think all the paralevers have the same offset halo... which is different to the standard k100 ....it seems to me that the wheel rims and mount to the bevel box is standard across all models (with the righthand edge of the rim to hub center mounting exactly the same ) ...what makes the difference is the swingarm and bevel box alignment of about another 15 - 18 mm to the right (different to the non paralever) i recon the angle of the swing arm is just slightly different to allow for this and the wider rim .



yes a 3 spoke 4.5 inch rear wheel will fit in there nice and be all centred correctly ...

what i did was to put on a 4.5 inch rim which mooved the centre some 15 or so mm to the left with a standard bevel box...now this in itself is not an issue but with the old fischel and sacks type forks ...without the brace across the fork legs (twb had one on durring his upgrades ) the front tyre tries to run a new centre line ...so what i ended up with was a bald front tyre on one side of the centre line ...which had moved about 8- 10 mm to the left ,

so to correct the situation on your bike ...get a 4.5 inch rim for the rear then front and rear will track perfectly ...do not run crossply with radial at the same time ...

i still have a 4.5 inch radial on my rim in the back room ...hopeing one day to implement the stategy again ...just found that with my setup the wandering down the road was kinda disconcerting after the front became baldish .

Rossco which one the one l could send to you a piece at a time or the one in one piece
Halo

Nino have used external pumps on other bikes before but dont kno
w the issues with K100 with tbe ex pump
Charlie wow theres a heap of info in a short period of time thanks Charlie sounds like l will have the same problem as you but just onthe other side hmmmmmm
Halo

Halo wrote:Rossco which one the one l could send to you a piece at a time or the one in one piece
Halo

Yes please

Rick G wrote:I have seen a conversion plate that Larry Ronstat from Special Ks in LA made to adapt the calipers.
http://specialks.net/index.php?p=1_13_87K75-Special-BEAUTY- Have a look at the caliper adapter on this one, and all the rest of his bikes as well they are works of art.

The odd thing about Larry's bike, Beauty, is that it uses the K1100's 20mm front MC and a pair of the old 2 piston K100 calipers along with 305mm K1100 rotors. That is the reason for the disc adapter on that particular example. Larry professes to do this setup because it gives greater progressive feel to the braking on the bike. Halo's new steed is using the standard K100 13mm front MC with standard 280mm fixed rotors so it will have normal mediocre braking of the K100. He won't have a need to make a disc adapter as the calipers/rotors are size correct for the forks.

BTW, congrats Halo. Nice looking bike. You'll really appreciate the improved handling of the bike with the paralever backend. Definitely fit radials to the bike if the rims permit it; I've heard the handling is night/day different from bias-plies. Unfortunately, the snowflake rims can't accept radials.

have a look here rob ... http://www.pirelli.com/tyre/ww/en/motorcycle/sheet/angel_st.html

and the wider wheels and radials thread

http://k100rt.aforumfree.com/t2713-wider-wheels-radial-tyres-on-a-k100

angel st fit right on the front 110 x 80 x 18 ....and rear ..with a 4.5 x 18 rim (3 spoker ) 160 x 60 x 18

did some grinding with those beauties on

just wish i had a paralever rear.

but will admit the pirelli sports demons are great for crossply tires

robmack wrote: Unfortunately, the snowflake rims can't accept radials.

-86 K100RS motorsport version came with Pirelli radials
(100/90 VR18 und 140/80 VR17) as standard.

Which also was used on the later Motorsport models...like this one.

There you go ... don't believe everything you read on other forums. Come to the Oracle -- K100RTforum!

I used the Pirelli radials when they were available in the '80s and later I went to Dunlop radials, 110/80VR18 K105 front and 140/80VR17 K700 rear, until they became obsolete.

Paul.

Halo, if your wheel is offset to the right, then making a thicker spacer (or adding extra standard spacers) should bring the wheels back into line?

Paul wisdom as usual fantastic idea l can get the guys at work to cad and laser cut out sourced sounds abit over the top but not when you work with these things.
Paul the bike still only started once yesterday then only fires once then stops l swopped out the fuel pump now l think l will put Albys trusted injectors in thanks to the top end crew
Makes me laugh that l have been working on K100's all year yet l have never ridden one
Keen to see if l can compare both to see if the paralever makes a difference
Halo

As an aside, this is why I changed from Pirellis to Dunlop radials!



Paul.

yowsers thats some pretty good delamination paul ...scarey

This is my 84RS rebuild thread but just a little more on the 86RS

Changed all fluids, all filters, all looked new as per receipts, but she wouldn't start.
Fuel pump corroded so I rebuilt (inner parts only shown)
Before





After I used thinners and a very fine wire brush







The fuel pump works a treat again, still no luck I turned to Albys & the boys reconditioned injectors guys but still no cigar. Looked to see the injectors spray pattern great by the way but it would intermittently stop turns out the connector to the ECU was loose used Blakey magic tonic brew and away she went startup.

Halo

woohooo

sidecar paul wrote:As an aside, this is why I changed from Pirellis to Dunlop radials!



Paul.

MP7's?.....had the same issue on the FJ1100 the early radials were good until they were bad...lol

Thanks Rob on the nice words of the 86RS very happy except does this sound normal for a K100 sounds very weeeery to me.
Your all going to laugh but l have never heard one fire up and run in the flesh before



The noise sounds much worse on the video I thought it sounded good just a like a wer noise no chunks etc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMDk_hNzP9c

Check the link mate I can't get anything to make a noise

are you talking about the camchain whistle halo

or the fuel pump making noises when not mounted in the rubber isolator in the tank (or even touching the bottom -side )?

i cant get the link to open either (didnt have flash player installed properly )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMDk_hNzP9c

Video is now fixed (I was doing this from my phone last night not as easy as on the pc at work to set up )

Like Charlie said the whistle is normal right ?




Halo

That's just what they sounded like when they were new back in '84/'86

Lots of K100 recordings on youtube.

Keep up the good work.

Wow. Sound and Vision.
If my bike sounded like that I would be happy and would also be part of 'the club'.
Grab your helmet Halo. Or for our German viewers, grab you halo Helmet, we are going for a ride.
Maybe that was funnier in my head :suspect:

That's a fine sound sir.

Had and have been on mine for 3 months.
These things produce the greatest cacophony of noises...
Whirrs, chirps, wails, honks,...that's part of it, near as I can figure, that I like...besides that it runs like stink. ...meaning that when grabbing a handfull in 3rd gear one should know where it is pointed and where ya want to be because you're going to be there real soon.

I have an idling issue that I'll pursue in the near future....meanwhile it gets ridden everyday.

Good on ya! Get on it and go.

Best, JimK

Thats where the nicname Kwiners came from. Its like an old pommie bike leaking oil, if it didn't do it there would be a problem.

...FWIW...when mine is cold, makes thumps and bumps sounding almost like piston slap in a worn out 2 stroke. Like something banging around where it should not be. Was kinda alarmed. Read something in some forum newbie section about that...forgot where. Well anyway, when ridden, goes away in my case.