well i just bought a non running k and im in the proccess of stripping it down to hopefully find whats wrong with it cant wait to get it running

Welcome Darren!.......and congrats with your purchase.

When you got the problems sorted out, you would have a bike would run in many years.....if it`s not to much neglected...and depending on the work you put down now, before putting it back to the street.

We`re all waiting for your questions.........

hi again well the bike is stripped and im getting scared lol its turning over has a good spark on all cylinders so where do i look now any advice is greatly apreciated im a novice at this so all advice is greatly appreciated

A look through this to understand how this and that functions, is a good start.

ill do that thank you

fuel issue ?? are the plugs getting wet and not starting . Fuel pump shit itself ? FPR open ?
gotta start somewhere

Welcome btw
cheers Tony

Welcome to the forum.
There's a sizeable group of K bike owners in Ireland and we have had a couple of meet ups this year with more planned for 2013. Check out reports and photos on the 'Trips' section.
There's nothing wrong with your K that can't be fixed.
Ask plenty of questions and post what you find.
You'll get plenty of advice and tips on what to look for.
From what you've said so far, my money is on the fuel pump too.
Open the fuel cap and listen for the pump whirring when you press the starter button.
No whirring and the pump is stuffed. (or the filter is blocked)
If it is the pump, there are plenty of (cheap) alternatives mentioned on the forum.
You'll soon learn that K owners don't spend much money if they can help it.

Welcome from the USA Darren. kfilipow.

Hi Darren,

Welcome to THE K bike forum!

Not so far from you....in Cork.

I think this started as more of technical site but it has a great social side to it. You wont want another bike after the K.

A Clymer manual is an essential, if you have not got one you should be able to pick one up on eBay. Mine came with one.

When I got my K I did a full service on it, all filters, including fuel filter, changed brake fluid, brake pads, spark plugs and coolant, transmission oil. I am aware problems can arise if it is left sitting for a long time with petrol in the tank.

K Bike is a bit like a Meccano set, looks complex but comes apart very easily.

Watch out too for perished fuel lines between the petrol tank and the fuel rail. The relays [lots of them] etc are under the petrol tank which must be lifted out of the way to access them. The correct BMW fuel line cost me €20 from BMW and I relpaced them with longer ones which now means I can lift up my petrol tank to access the relays without having to depressurise and disconnect the fuel lines. I also located the new jubilee clips so I can disconnect them if I have to without removing fairing parts other than one knee pad and storage compartment.

Starter motors can do funny things but they are very very easy to access [two allen bolts and remove battery] and strip down to clean and check brushes.

Exhaust manifold nuts and studs can be a problem, be careful if you are trying to remove the exhaust. A few instances of them shearing off, nasty little problem to sort out.

www.motorworks.co.uk is a great source of spares, new or second hand at very reasonable prices, if you phone them you will find them extremely helpful and delivery is prompt. If you have any technical matters put them up here as everyone is very helpful and will usually identify the problem quickly. If you can pop up a photo, year and frame no and you will be quite surprised at the level of help offered.

We have had some nice meets during the year and are hoping for a long one next June weekend with Ring of Kerry and Dingle Peninsula planned. I like to take a run most weekends, weather permitting and quite happy to travel down your way. You have a local member in Kerry, HoverK100 but he wont be much good to you on wheels or brake issues as his K is somewhat unique. He is hoping to join us for the June weekend trip too.

Look up the posts in the European Section under Irish Eccentrics and etc etc and you will get a feel for the site!

FAO; Comberjohn by electric_monk	0	58	on Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:16 am by electric_monk
Isn't it nice [ 1, 2 ] by DeRodster	55	741	on Thu Oct 25, 2012 5:22 pm by tom foley
Irish Eccentrics 2013 Kerry Run [June 1/2/3?] by 92KK K100LT 193214	30	399	on Tue Oct 23, 2012 10:20 pm by 92KK K100LT 193214
Leopardstown Autojumble IVVMCC by DeRodster	14	244	on Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:14 pm by DeRodster
Stradbally Saturday 6th October. by 92KK K100LT 193214 Good weather forecast, good breakfast, great company= good roads.	34	477	on Sat Oct 13, 2012 5:05 pm by tom foley
Scottish Meet by MT350Explorer	11	512	on Sat Oct 06, 2012 7:23 pm by Lucky Lou
The Antrim Glens [ 1, 2 ] by 88KE	68	950	on Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:40 am by 92KK K100LT 193214
The Lake District. by sidecar paul	14	204	on Thu Oct 04, 2012 7:09 pm by UK_Kev
Irish Eccentrics Autumn Run 2012 [

92KK

well thanks so much all for your advice and help ive checked relays theres a clicking when i try to start it fuel pump relay i believe took fuel line off hit starter switch and no fuel through pipe so i believe it is indeed the pump now how will i get it out very hard to access the screws in the tank ive read of peole dismanteling pump and repairing?

A common problem related to a non running fuel pump is the connector to the tank.

Have you checked that connector, and if you got power to it?
When pushing the starter button you should have ~12V+ at the green/white wire,
and check fuse #6.

BTW. It`s no problem to hear the fuel pump when it`s running, so it`s not needed to disconnect the fuel hose to check..........

.........we did have someone which had to use his fire extinguisher just a few days ago....when checking for fuel pressure.

Am I right in thinking three relays avtivate when you hit the start button:

Load shed relay

Starter Relay

Fuel pump relay.

Darren first check that you have power to the fuel pump, those connectors under the tank can come undone if someone tried to move the tank. Mine are at the rear right hand side, got four individual wires. From memory there is white yellow green and brown.

There is also an earth for the petrol tank, mine is on the left hand side. You might need to check these. Either way though the fuel filter should be changed and if the bike was sitting a long time the pump may not be the best.

92KK

wlcome aboard daren ....good luck with the resto ....

ill check the wiring etc next thanks everyone, i just hear a clicking when i press the starter i must get a volt meter to check for power to fuel pump so ill get back to let ye all know how it goes thank you once again

darren 08 wrote:i just hear a clicking when i press the starter

Does that mean that the starter isn`t turning either.....?

Darren

When you turn on the ignition you should hear a continuous click click as opposed to a single click, before you press the starter. Check for that and post up the outcome.

When you press starter, and have lights turned on, lights should temporarily go off [load shed relay and starter relay, both activate]. Do the lights go out? [load shed relay?]Again do post up the outcome. Must be ok as starter is turning over.

Starter should then also turn over [starter relay or starter brushes?]. [Starter is turning over].

Check wiring to fuel pump [no fuel presumably means no power to fuel pump, or blocked filter] under the fuel tank. Worth simply opening the connections and then closing them again. [try this one, you have to disconnect it anyway to remove the tank]

Check fuel filter but replace anyway. [common problem] Inside the tank, very large hands wont make it in

One other thing too, how good is the battery? Some other posts here seem to suggest that below a certain voltage not everything works right.

92KK

Hi Darren welcome to the forum. Lots of good advice on the fuel pump there but when it comes to getting it out there is an easy way.
There are 2 tags either side of the plastic ring, you dont need to undo the 8mm bolts while inside the tank. You can see on the picture and all you need to do is a finger and thumb on each of the tags and squeeze and wriggle the pump and it should lift out. Being old the rubber vibration damper may stick to the aluminium so you may need to be a bit forcefull.

Hello Darren and welcome to the forum - pretty much all the information you need to get your K up and running again can be found here somewhere. I visited Tralee with my then wife some years ago and was dismayed by the state of the place. It turned out that the "Rose Of Tralee" contest had happened the day before and that explained the state of disarray in the place. We were welcomed warmly though everywhere we went in your beautiful country

well i removed the fuel pump and hooked it up to a power source its not wotking now to get a replacement and hopefully that will fix the first problem of not running then i must tackle taking out the restrictor that has been put in but one job at a time eh thanks everyone ill keep ye informed on progress been a bit now until i find suitable pump

seen this pump on ebay think it would work Item number: 271097592029?

That one would probably do the job but this one would suit a bit better as the fitting on top is better
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MG-Maestro-Metro-Electric-Fuel-Pump-0580464038-0-580-464-038-500700-/300709736036?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item4603b26e64

thanks i have it ordered

Hi Darren and welcome to the forum. Hopefully the eccentrics will see you in june:D

Since weather is erratic and we have yet another new Eccentic anyone any thoughts on an outing over Christmas? breakfast or lunch at Stradbally or some other place. I am unfortunately looking now at new tyres and brake pads, and one or two other jobs so am thinking of a change but to another K.

Hi Darren, in Tralee? I'm just up the road in Barrakilla!! As said already I don't have any wheels or brakes or steering or gears or lights or suspension on my K but I do have most engine electrical/fuel parts in my shed and have a little experience of K engines and why they won't run . I'd be delighted to give you a hand to get yours running. Also did you know there are a few parts nearby?

[quote... I'm just up the road in Barrakilla!! [/quote]

In Australia that would be a fishing rod.

Saxon7 wrote:[quote... I'm just up the road in Barrakilla!!

In Australia that would be a fishing rod.[/quote]

Just thinking the same thing Saxon7. I wonder if they will work it out?

rossco

rossco wrote:

Saxon7 wrote:[quote... I'm just up the road in Barrakilla!!

In Australia that would be a fishing rod.

Just thinking the same thing Saxon7. I wonder if they will work it out?

rossco[/quote]

Tá brón orainn, ní féidir liom obair go ceann amach

Tá brón orainn, ní féidir liom obair go ceann amach Hmmmm I just put that into Babel fish and it said "Get out of here you disgusting little prevert" so I still don't know. But a Barra is a Barramundi.

Hover K100 wrote:

rossco wrote:

Saxon7 wrote:[quote... I'm just up the road in Barrakilla!!

In Australia that would be a fishing rod.

Just thinking the same thing Saxon7. I wonder if they will work it out?

rossco

Tá brón orainn, ní féidir liom obair go ceann amach [/quote]

Google translate doesn't go that far eh?

Tá brón orainn, ní féidir liom obair go ceann amach
Drew a blank again I put it into Google translate and it said "Sorry Can't work that one out" so I am still non the wiser.

Ulli, Col and I watched the movie " The Guard" on Sunday night and learnt some gaelic. Also learned quite a few novel ways of using the F word :-)

Tá brón orainn, ní féidir liom obair go ceann amach


Some thing like..

Two heads are better than one????

well progress will stall now until i get the pump thanks for the offer of help and good to know parts nearby if i need them:D

[quote="92KK K100LT 193214"]Since weather is erratic and we have yet another new Eccentic anyone any thoughts on an outing over Christmas? breakfast or lunch at Stradbally or some other place.

O, if CJ is up for a jaunt down, I will be in. Must get heated grips working!

G

Saxon7 wrote:Ulli, Col and I watched the movie " The Guard" on Sunday night and learnt some gaelic. Also learned quite a few novel ways of using the F word :-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRsMLuCP8a0
Thats one great movie, my son in college in Edinburgh had to "interpret" it for the Scots
I passed some of the locations it was filmed in today on my way to work

[quote="gmcq"]

92KK K100LT 193214 wrote:Since weather is erratic and we have yet another new Eccentic anyone any thoughts on an outing over Christmas? breakfast or lunch at Stradbally or some other place.

O, if CJ is up for a jaunt down, I will be in. Must get heated grips working!

G

Is this the makings of a Christmas meet up? A group booking for The Snowman at the National Concert Hall....Or Stradbally Fayre or some other location thats good for us? Another thread perhaps....

Up north is not so far for some but as I recall we have a scattered 'membership' Tralee [Darren], Cork [92KK], Killeagh [Bjorn], Wexford [Trapper], Gorey [88KE], Kilkenny [TomFoley], Downpatrick [ComberJohn], Belfast [gmcq], Dublin [sgmayhew] Coastal [Hoover K100] hope I have not caused offence by omission.

92KK

92KK, think a new thread is required!

G

Just came across this idea of a meet up by accident. Definitely need a new thread.
Was thinking of something like it myself.
I had in mind lunch in Stradbally Fayre on New Years Day.
We can then look forward to the Spring.
Ruffy tuffy motorcyclists only need apply!

hi fuel pump is fitted and working but still not starting removed the injectors and they dont seem to be recieving fuel but i know the fuel is in both pipes leading to the fuel injectors what do i do now

Do you see a flow of fuel inside the tank (from the return line) when you push the starter button?

If you do, then it`s probably the injectors that don`t receive any signal.....or power.
But the first mentioned is most likely, since they got power from the same relay as the fuel pump.

Injectors might be blocked and/or faulty.
Another thing to check is the plug going into the injection control unit. Bad connection is a well known issue especially if it's been sitting for a while
Seems unlikely that all of the injectors would be blocked or faulty at once.
As a K owner, always try the simple or cheap options first.

aye john ...!

yes ..clean up the under seat connector with some deoxit ..(both sides) ...and make sure its pluged home properly

Darren,

I am not the most expert but maybe if you are still in trouble I might invent an excuse for a run to Tralee if I can squeeze it in...

I have to do my son's bike Saturday, service kit only arrived yesterday and he is coming home Friday expecting his bike to be ready and running. I am hoping it wont take long. I know his oil filter wont come off, tried to loosen it but at least its the metal canister type and is accessible.

As ComberJohn said try the simple things first. Losing fuel in all 4 injectors at one time statistcally is less likely than an electrical lack of supply or signal problem.

Silly question, but what happens if the fuel pump polarity is reversed? The connectors normally work only one way but if they were altered by a previous owner.....

I wonder could it be ECU? I changed mine due to an erratic fault and still have the old one. A big issue is the electrical connections generally and the site is full of notes on these.

If you get sorted too we are discussing a meeting on Saturday 29 December....brunch at Stradbally Fayre [10km off the M7 at Portlaoise] seems to be appearing on the agenda. Seems to be good interest.....

92kk

Good point, Olaf, you thread hijacker.
If it's not an original pump it may be worth checking the pump polarity.
It's impossible to get it wrong with the original due different size connectors, but a double check can't hurt.
Remember, cheap stuff first!

Rick G wrote:Tá brón orainn, ní féidir liom obair go ceann amach
Drew a blank again I put it into Google translate and it said "Sorry Can't work that one out" so I am still non the wiser.

I think the American would be "Go figure"!

Hi Darren,

I'm a bit behind on my forum inputs...pressure of real work and all that, so a belated welcome along and good luck with the bike.

As ComberJohn said there's nothing that can't be fixed and it's a real thrill when you do get it going. I have a resto/Light rennovation thread going myself but it's all stopped these past couple of months, hopefully I'll get going over the winter with a stripdown and geabox seal job.

Keep the questions coming and the guys will never be shy about mucking in with answers.

88KE

well i checked the hall sensor gave it a clean i also gave the injectors a small clean then i tried starting again and after a few false starts it has fired up as for the meet up not sure i can make it but you never know pump is very noisey you can hear it over the engine thats the only issue at min

thanks for all the help guys i will be cleaning it for next few weeks