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Re: hi all just bought a non running k100rt Tue Nov 13, 2012 4:13 pm
darren 08
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thanks for all the help guys i will be cleaning it for next few weeks
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52 Re: hi all just bought a non running k100rt Tue Nov 13, 2012 4:30 pm
gmcq
Gold member
Darren, the fuel pumps are just noisey, mine very noisey, can hear mine over the engine even with a full tank of fuel. I dont really hear it anymore until someone (comberjohn) points it out. 
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1996 K1100LTIC 0235790
53 Re: hi all just bought a non running k100rt Tue Nov 13, 2012 5:01 pm
Comberjohn
Life time member
That's because my old '84 pump ain't as noisy.
54 Re: hi all just bought a non running k100rt Tue Nov 13, 2012 5:29 pm
92KK 84WW Olaf
Life time member
Comberjohn wrote:Good point, Olaf, you thread hijacker.
If it's not an original pump it may be worth checking the pump polarity.
It's impossible to get it wrong with the original due different size connectors, but a double check can't hurt.
Remember, cheap stuff first!
John
I only thought of it after you mentioned the pump so its your credit! The Clymer Manual highlights that point.
Olaf
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1992 K100LT 0193214 Bertha Blue 101,000 miles
1984 K100RT 0022575 Brutus Baja Red 578 bought 36,000 now 89,150 miles
1997 K1100LT 0188024 Wotan Mystic Red 689 58,645 now 106,950 miles Deceased.
1983 K100RS 0011157 Fricka 606 Alaska Blue 29,495 miles Damn K Pox Its a Bat outta Hell Now 58,200 miles.
1996 K1100LT 0233004 Lohengrin Mystic Red 38,000 miles currently 51,800 miles.
1983 K100RS 0004449 Odette R100 colours 58,000 miles. Sprint fairing now 63,390 miles
Past:
1968 Yamaha 80 YG1
1971 Yamaha 125 YAS-1
1968 Honda 125 SS
1970 Honda CD 175
1973 Honda CB500-4
Honda CX 500
55 Re: hi all just bought a non running k100rt Tue Nov 13, 2012 5:43 pm
Hover K100
Silver member
Good to hear it fired up, if I'm finished work early on Saturday I'll call down.
56 thanks Tue Nov 13, 2012 5:50 pm
darren 08
active member
yes sure is noisey but it runs so im a happy man thanks you all for yr much appreciated help advice and humour now to cleaan," hover see you weekend"
thanks you all for yr much appreciated help advice and humour now to cleaan," hover see you weekend" 57 Re: hi all just bought a non running k100rt Tue Nov 13, 2012 6:31 pm
club_c
Life time member
Noisy fuel pump may actually be the noisy fuel return check valve....??
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"There's never enough time to do it right, but there's always time to do it over."
1988 K100RS SE VIN 01477554
58 Re: hi all just bought a non running k100rt Tue Nov 13, 2012 6:38 pm
Comberjohn
Life time member
Good call, club c.
Forgot about that.
Forgot about that.
59 hi all Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:25 pm
darren 08
active member
hoover k 100 called down to see bike he was very interested and spent while looking at how the bitsand pieces were fitted in ,nice person and im looking forward to seeing the k engine in a hovercraft haha should be interesting:D
60 Re: hi all just bought a non running k100rt Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:33 pm
darren 08
active member
in case any body wondering about my avatar i was in france last summer and went to samur forgive my spelling to the tank museum and that bm was there so thats why it put it up
61 Re: hi all just bought a non running k100rt Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:47 pm
Hover K100
Silver member
I'm working at home all week so call up some evening, I need some help with fitting that part you gave medarren 08 wrote:hoover k 100 called down to see bike he was very interested and spent while looking at how the bitsand pieces were fitted in ,nice person and im looking forward to seeing the k engine in a hovercraft haha should be interesting:D
.If the weather improves we can go for a quick blast on the canal
. 62 Re: hi all just bought a non running k100rt Wed Nov 21, 2012 1:55 pm
gmcq
Gold member
Comberjohn wrote:Good call, club c.
Forgot about that.
Would i be correct in thinking that this valve was not used on my bike? Would it be worth pulling the pump apart, maybe its guming up and is struggling to work?
G
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1996 K1100LTIC 0235790
63 Re: hi all just bought a non running k100rt Wed Nov 21, 2012 2:52 pm
club_c
Life time member
Not sure on a K1100. RickG can say for sure. As for a gummy fuel pump, some of us have reversed polarity to flush it out. But do that in a bucket, not the tank...
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"There's never enough time to do it right, but there's always time to do it over."
1988 K100RS SE VIN 01477554
64 Re: hi all just bought a non running k100rt Wed Nov 21, 2012 3:07 pm
gmcq
Gold member
Good idea, wee job for the weekend, should have the fuel level down a bit by then, filled the tank yesterday!
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1996 K1100LTIC 0235790
65 Re: hi all just bought a non running k100rt Wed Nov 21, 2012 3:13 pm
Comberjohn
Life time member
Pumps changed after 1/93, Gerard, so yours would be different.
Do not try to pull any of the pumps apart. It will cost you a new one.
Several of us have tried it with faulty pumps and I don't think any of us have been successful so far.
I think the pressure used when they are pressed together is crucial to getting the tolerances correct.
Everything feels like it should be ok but when you crimp it back together, nuffink.
Do not try to pull any of the pumps apart. It will cost you a new one.
Several of us have tried it with faulty pumps and I don't think any of us have been successful so far.
I think the pressure used when they are pressed together is crucial to getting the tolerances correct.
Everything feels like it should be ok but when you crimp it back together, nuffink.
66 Re: hi all just bought a non running k100rt Wed Nov 21, 2012 3:27 pm
gmcq
Gold member
I was coming up the road tonight from work with a devil on one shoulder shouting "you can do it, just whip her out and pull apart" and an angel on the other saying "you have been down this road before, dont do it, it will be a disaster!". So I will go with John and the angel and leave well enough alone! Thanks John
Gerard
Gerard
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1996 K1100LTIC 0235790
67 Re: hi all just bought a non running k100rt Wed Nov 21, 2012 3:31 pm
gmcq
Gold member
Darren, sorry, I seem to have done a bit of hijacking on your thread!
G
G
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1996 K1100LTIC 0235790
68 Re: hi all just bought a non running k100rt Wed Nov 21, 2012 6:20 pm
darren 08
active member
thats ok gm as a native of lisburn myself i can forgive you:D
hover id love to see how you fit that should be fun
hover id love to see how you fit that should be fun
69 Re: hi all just bought a non running k100rt Thu Nov 22, 2012 2:09 pm
gmcq
Gold member
darren 08 wrote:thats ok gm as a native of lisburn myself i can forgive you:D
hover id love to see how you fit that should be fun
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1996 K1100LTIC 0235790
70 Re: hi all just bought a non running k100rt Wed Nov 28, 2012 6:50 pm
darren 08
active member
well ive just seen a hovercraft with a k100 engine in it very interesting indeed ive begun to reassemble the bike got the pieces i needed it will be a slow proccess
71 scratching head in confusion Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:32 pm
darren 08
active member
well guys i got the bike running after a few problems with injectors and it seemed to be fine until today i went to start it but it just backfired checked the fuel injectors recharged battery there is a spark and fuel etc engine is turning over so what can it be now im confused as it was running fine
72 Re: hi all just bought a non running k100rt Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:37 pm
Toto_jp
Platinum member
Check the plug to the tank may have to stretch the pins maybe a simple fix ie no power going to pump /bad earth
cheers Tony
cheers Tony
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73 Re: hi all just bought a non running k100rt Sun Dec 16, 2012 6:31 pm
darren 08
active member
i can hear the fuel pump going the plugs are wet and there is a spark
74 Re: hi all just bought a non running k100rt Sun Dec 16, 2012 6:47 pm
Hover K100
Silver member
Check the rest of the pins on the ECU, mine did that when the water temp sensor wasn't connecting. Thanks to this forum I got it sorted.darren 08 wrote:i can hear the fuel pump going the plugs are wet and there is a spark
A new set of plugs works wonders too. A trip to Halfrauds with my trade card, 4 NGK's for under a tenner
. 75 Re: hi all just bought a non running k100rt Sun Dec 16, 2012 6:58 pm
Inge K.
VIP
Have you got a clean blue spark, and have you tried to dry the spark plugs
(preferably with a open flame) ?
(preferably with a open flame) ?
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K100RS -86. (first owner), K1100LTSE -94.
76 Re: hi all just bought a non running k100rt Sun Dec 16, 2012 6:59 pm
darren 08
active member
im going to try that tomorrow and if that fails ill get new plugs and try again
77 Re: hi all just bought a non running k100rt Mon Dec 17, 2012 5:11 pm
92KK 84WW Olaf
Life time member
Darren
I have a spare ECU here. I got a replacement in June from Motorworks and took out the old one. Everything said it would not cure my problem but when I changed it the problem went away. I am assuming either it was faulty or faulty connection. However I also redid earths at the same time without checking so am not certain if it is good or not. I did open it and it was clean inside.
Is this beginning to sound like you will make 29th??
92KK
I have a spare ECU here. I got a replacement in June from Motorworks and took out the old one. Everything said it would not cure my problem but when I changed it the problem went away. I am assuming either it was faulty or faulty connection. However I also redid earths at the same time without checking so am not certain if it is good or not. I did open it and it was clean inside.
Is this beginning to sound like you will make 29th??
92KK
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1992 K100LT 0193214 Bertha Blue 101,000 miles
1984 K100RT 0022575 Brutus Baja Red 578 bought 36,000 now 89,150 miles
1997 K1100LT 0188024 Wotan Mystic Red 689 58,645 now 106,950 miles Deceased.
1983 K100RS 0011157 Fricka 606 Alaska Blue 29,495 miles Damn K Pox Its a Bat outta Hell Now 58,200 miles.
1996 K1100LT 0233004 Lohengrin Mystic Red 38,000 miles currently 51,800 miles.
1983 K100RS 0004449 Odette R100 colours 58,000 miles. Sprint fairing now 63,390 miles
Past:
1968 Yamaha 80 YG1
1971 Yamaha 125 YAS-1
1968 Honda 125 SS
1970 Honda CD 175
1973 Honda CB500-4
Honda CX 500
78 Re: hi all just bought a non running k100rt Mon Dec 17, 2012 7:08 pm
darren 08
active member
not sure if its the ecu i must say its confusing me the way it runs fine one time but not the next cant make the 29im sorry to say its my weekend to work im afraid an but hopefully next time ye meet up ill be able to make it
79 Re: hi all just bought a non running k100rt Mon Dec 17, 2012 7:08 pm
darren 08
active member
what was your prob before ya changed ecu anything like mine?
80 Re: hi all just bought a non running k100rt Tue Dec 18, 2012 4:43 am
92KK 84WW Olaf
Life time member
Sometimes bike would start. I could hear fuel pump running even though no start. The problem with no start was even the starter did not work, when it did start it would cut out after a while and then not start. I did strip the starter to eliminate the problem but my assumption was that a fault in the starter would not cause a cut out. In any event I did strip and clean the starter as well and also replaced the relay. I got the relay from Maddocks but it took 2 weeks, Motorworks generally arrive in about 3 days whether you are buying new or used.
I never really understood the problem because the advice was to look elsewhere than the ECU. It was cheaper for me to buy a replacement ECU from Motorworks [£50] than pay for testing the one I had [€75]. When I got the replacement I spent a long time cleaning off the contacts with a 1200 gauge wet and dry used dry until they looked nice and new. These contacts have been flagged here for attention. I now think the problem could have been a poor contact from one of the peripheral points such as Hall sensor, crank or camshaft sensors or whatever making some other components appear to be at fault and the simple action of removing cleaning etc etc may have cured it.
I never really understood the problem because the advice was to look elsewhere than the ECU. It was cheaper for me to buy a replacement ECU from Motorworks [£50] than pay for testing the one I had [€75]. When I got the replacement I spent a long time cleaning off the contacts with a 1200 gauge wet and dry used dry until they looked nice and new. These contacts have been flagged here for attention. I now think the problem could have been a poor contact from one of the peripheral points such as Hall sensor, crank or camshaft sensors or whatever making some other components appear to be at fault and the simple action of removing cleaning etc etc may have cured it.
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1992 K100LT 0193214 Bertha Blue 101,000 miles
1984 K100RT 0022575 Brutus Baja Red 578 bought 36,000 now 89,150 miles
1997 K1100LT 0188024 Wotan Mystic Red 689 58,645 now 106,950 miles Deceased.
1983 K100RS 0011157 Fricka 606 Alaska Blue 29,495 miles Damn K Pox Its a Bat outta Hell Now 58,200 miles.
1996 K1100LT 0233004 Lohengrin Mystic Red 38,000 miles currently 51,800 miles.
1983 K100RS 0004449 Odette R100 colours 58,000 miles. Sprint fairing now 63,390 miles
Past:
1968 Yamaha 80 YG1
1971 Yamaha 125 YAS-1
1968 Honda 125 SS
1970 Honda CD 175
1973 Honda CB500-4
Honda CX 500
81 Re: hi all just bought a non running k100rt Thu Dec 20, 2012 5:12 pm
darren 08
active member
well im confused i took out the plugs cleaned them and gave em a light sanding put em back in a bike started first time strange
82 Re: hi all just bought a non running k100rt Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:34 pm
Hover K100
Silver member
darren 08 wrote:well im confused i took out the plugs cleaned them and gave em a light sanding put em back in a bike started first time strange
Yep, seen that happen, good to hear its running again. The Mini conversion guys recommend the same plugs as a Mazda rotary to stop that behavior but I have not got around to trying them yet. BTW my lunch box removal is almost complete so two Kerry K's will be running again.
83 Re: hi all just bought a non running k100rt Fri Dec 21, 2012 5:09 am
92KK 84WW Olaf
Life time member
I should mention when I got the K I gave it a full service, all filters, plugs, brake fluid, rear master cylinder seal, clutch cable and a lot of other little jobs. Not so long after a strange problem developed. Poor starting, poor running etc. Turned out one of the new plugs was faulty. Replaced it and problem cured. I now find that is not uncommon with the plugs used. I got replacements in Halfords, now travel with a spare.
Let me know if all is now up and running for 29th.
I must make some arrangement with Corkboy but a meeting point at Fermoy or Mitchelstown [say 9.30am] would work out ok for all of us. Mallow Mitchelstown road has been closed for some time for road repairs in which case Fermoy is better option. Unfortunately Bjorn is still off road....bike is fine, it got better faster than Bjorn.
92KK
Let me know if all is now up and running for 29th.
I must make some arrangement with Corkboy but a meeting point at Fermoy or Mitchelstown [say 9.30am] would work out ok for all of us. Mallow Mitchelstown road has been closed for some time for road repairs in which case Fermoy is better option. Unfortunately Bjorn is still off road....bike is fine, it got better faster than Bjorn.
92KK
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1992 K100LT 0193214 Bertha Blue 101,000 miles
1984 K100RT 0022575 Brutus Baja Red 578 bought 36,000 now 89,150 miles
1997 K1100LT 0188024 Wotan Mystic Red 689 58,645 now 106,950 miles Deceased.
1983 K100RS 0011157 Fricka 606 Alaska Blue 29,495 miles Damn K Pox Its a Bat outta Hell Now 58,200 miles.
1996 K1100LT 0233004 Lohengrin Mystic Red 38,000 miles currently 51,800 miles.
1983 K100RS 0004449 Odette R100 colours 58,000 miles. Sprint fairing now 63,390 miles
Past:
1968 Yamaha 80 YG1
1971 Yamaha 125 YAS-1
1968 Honda 125 SS
1970 Honda CD 175
1973 Honda CB500-4
Honda CX 500
84 Re: hi all just bought a non running k100rt Fri Dec 21, 2012 1:11 pm
darren 08
active member
good for you hover ha ha dont think i make it to the meet up thought next time hopefully ill be more organised and be able to make it
85 Problems again Sat Jan 26, 2013 10:23 am
darren 08
active member
Well cleaned it put back together now won't start there is a spark and plugs are wet what should I do. It back fires a few times but that's all. Heeeeelp
86 Re: hi all just bought a non running k100rt Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:14 pm
K-BIKE
Life time member
Hi Darren,
I suggest you run through the fault finding flow diagram which is on this site, a lot of members contributed to that so as to give a logical process for sorting out issues to generally be able to settle on what is causing the problem, the idea is to eliminate items step by step instead of the flailing around we all tend to do to sort a problem with our bikes.
Regards,
K-BIKE
I suggest you run through the fault finding flow diagram which is on this site, a lot of members contributed to that so as to give a logical process for sorting out issues to generally be able to settle on what is causing the problem, the idea is to eliminate items step by step instead of the flailing around we all tend to do to sort a problem with our bikes.
Regards,
K-BIKE
87 Re: hi all just bought a non running k100rt Sat Jan 26, 2013 4:24 pm
Hover K100
Silver member
darren 08 wrote:Well cleaned it put back together now won't start there is a spark and plugs are wet what should I do. It back fires a few times but that's all. Heeeeelp
Exactly what mine did when the temp sensor was not connected, BTW I'll be back in town next week, if its not running I'll grab a meter here and go through the checks with you.
Wont be long now till the weather is good enough for the canal so practice your swimming
88 Re: hi all just bought a non running k100rt Sat Jan 26, 2013 5:36 pm
darren 08
active member
Thanks h as for the swimming if I don't get stuck in the mud here was a hcraft down there about week ago
in the mud here was a hcraft down there about week ago 89 Re: hi all just bought a non running k100rt Sat Jan 26, 2013 5:41 pm
rosskko
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Hover K100 wrote:darren 08 wrote:Well cleaned it put back together now won't start there is a spark and plugs are wet what should I do. It back fires a few times but that's all. Heeeeelp
Exactly what mine did when the temp sensor was not connected, BTW I'll be back in town next week, if its not running I'll grab a meter here and go through the checks with you.
Wont be long now till the weather is good enough for the canal so practice your swimming
And EXACTLY what mine did when the temp sensor was not connected. After washing it. Check the plug behind the radiator.
Good luck.
rossco
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1986 K100RT VIN 0093801K100RT with summer fairing for a northern visitor
K1100RS 0194321
90 Re: hi all just bought a non running k100rt Sun Jan 27, 2013 10:48 am
darren 08
active member
Thanks. For the advice that plug seems to be connected. I'll have to strip it back down again I guess
91 Re: hi all just bought a non running k100rt Sun Jan 27, 2013 10:54 am
Inge K.
VIP
To check this circuit measure the resistance between connector 10 and 13 at the jetronic multiconnector.
You should read ~4K ohm at 10oC.
You should read ~4K ohm at 10oC.
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Inge K.
K100RS -86. (first owner), K1100LTSE -94.
92 Re: hi all just bought a non running k100rt Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:44 pm
Hover K100
Silver member
I understand that that some K waking up noises have been heard in Darrens shed
93 Re: hi all just bought a non running k100rt Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:13 pm
club_c
Life time member
Do tell....
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"There's never enough time to do it right, but there's always time to do it over."
1988 K100RS SE VIN 01477554
94 Re: hi all just bought a non running k100rt Tue Feb 05, 2013 11:57 pm
charlie99
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cool ...lets hope its a result .....hmm could be ....else he would be here asking more questions ....or in a fit of frustration is down the pub ?
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'86 K100 RT..#0090401 ..."Gerty" ( Gertrude Von Clickandshift ) --------O%O
'86 k100 rs.. #######.. "Fred " (f(rame) red ) ( Fredrick leichtundschnell ) - -
bits and pieces from many kind friends across the k100 world ...with many thanks ..
1987 k100rs ######## "Red" - (red sports rs TWB style )
1989 K100rt #009637 "Black Betty" (naked rt ala Nigel , now sporting an rs main fairing )
95 Re: hi all just bought a non running k100rt Wed Feb 06, 2013 6:01 am
88
Life time member
charlie99 wrote:cool ...lets hope its a result .....hmm could be ....else he would be here asking more questions ....or in a fit of frustration is down the pub ?
Lets hope he's in the Pub celebrating!!!
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88....May contain nuts!"The world is a book and those who do not travel read only one page." - St. Augustine from 1600 years ago & still true!
K1 - 1989 - AKA Titan (unique K1/K1100RS hybrid by Andreas Esterhammer)
K1100RS - 1995. AKA Rudolf Von Schmurf (in a million bits)
K100RS - 1991 AKA Ronnie. Cafe racer project bike
K75RTP - 1994
K75C - 1991 AKA Jim Beam. In boxes.
K1100LT 1992 - AKA Big Red (gone)
K100LT - 1988 - AKA the Bullion brick. Should never have sold it.
96 hi all Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:53 pm
darren 08
active member
hi guys sorry its been so long been sick had help from hover and he is a wealth of knowledge thanks p and after a few tests guess what spark plugs that was the problem who would of thought eh (guess my adivce to anyone is always change em when theres a prob) and she is running great im a happy man thanks for all the advice encouragement and much needed help through the whole proccess you guys are great:D:D:D
97 Re: hi all just bought a non running k100rt Wed Sep 04, 2013 7:39 pm
92KK 84WW Olaf
Life time member
This RT ended up being my 'new' K. The fuel pump sure is noisy and the non return valve does not work because when I had tank off at the weekend petrol flowed out and I had to plug the tank spigot. It is also very noisy.
Everything worked fine and bike started and ran fine. Today I went out and bike cut out after less than a mile. Immediately suspected absence of fuel. Refused to start again but after a few minutes it started again only to cut out a few minutes later. Having repacked the tool kit to ensure I had all the tools needed I decided to remove tank at roadside. Took off left fairing knee panel and tried again, noticed no fuel pump sound. So went at the connector to the tank. Wriggling it made the pump stop and start- cause of problem. Anyway I looked at the connector and crimped up the connections to ensure a tight fit. Problem solved. This problem of an intermittent connection has clearly existed for a long time and could explain some of the history. Bike running fine again. A lot of other little jobs done since I got the bike.
Anyway that's my update!
Everything worked fine and bike started and ran fine. Today I went out and bike cut out after less than a mile. Immediately suspected absence of fuel. Refused to start again but after a few minutes it started again only to cut out a few minutes later. Having repacked the tool kit to ensure I had all the tools needed I decided to remove tank at roadside. Took off left fairing knee panel and tried again, noticed no fuel pump sound. So went at the connector to the tank. Wriggling it made the pump stop and start- cause of problem. Anyway I looked at the connector and crimped up the connections to ensure a tight fit. Problem solved. This problem of an intermittent connection has clearly existed for a long time and could explain some of the history. Bike running fine again. A lot of other little jobs done since I got the bike.
Anyway that's my update!
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1992 K100LT 0193214 Bertha Blue 101,000 miles
1984 K100RT 0022575 Brutus Baja Red 578 bought 36,000 now 89,150 miles
1997 K1100LT 0188024 Wotan Mystic Red 689 58,645 now 106,950 miles Deceased.
1983 K100RS 0011157 Fricka 606 Alaska Blue 29,495 miles Damn K Pox Its a Bat outta Hell Now 58,200 miles.
1996 K1100LT 0233004 Lohengrin Mystic Red 38,000 miles currently 51,800 miles.
1983 K100RS 0004449 Odette R100 colours 58,000 miles. Sprint fairing now 63,390 miles
Past:
1968 Yamaha 80 YG1
1971 Yamaha 125 YAS-1
1968 Honda 125 SS
1970 Honda CD 175
1973 Honda CB500-4
Honda CX 500
98 Re: hi all just bought a non running k100rt Wed Sep 04, 2013 7:45 pm
charlie99
VIP
good work 92
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cheezy grin whilst riding, kinda bloke ....oh the joy !!!! ...... ( brick aviator )
'86 K100 RT..#0090401 ..."Gerty" ( Gertrude Von Clickandshift ) --------O%O
'86 k100 rs.. #######.. "Fred " (f(rame) red ) ( Fredrick leichtundschnell ) - -
bits and pieces from many kind friends across the k100 world ...with many thanks ..
1987 k100rs ######## "Red" - (red sports rs TWB style )
1989 K100rt #009637 "Black Betty" (naked rt ala Nigel , now sporting an rs main fairing )
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