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1Back to top Go down   k100 stumble at 1800rpm Empty k100 stumble at 1800rpm Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:32 pm

yankeeone

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Hi, any ideas why my 86 k100 would start to stumble / vibrate at about 1600 to 200 rpm, runs good every where else, did out put shaft, plugs wires ,injectors ,valve adjust ,timing, balanced tb idles nice runs right up to red line, thinking maybe the tps? but I am at a loss, bike gets pretty bad vibs at the same time as rough running.
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2Back to top Go down   k100 stumble at 1800rpm Empty Re: k100 stumble at 1800rpm Mon Jul 23, 2012 9:00 pm

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Are your plug caps secure, do you have the little bobbins on the plugs or is the thread bare.


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3Back to top Go down   k100 stumble at 1800rpm Empty Re: k100 stumble at 1800rpm Mon Jul 23, 2012 9:10 pm

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hi , checked the wires and plugs ,yep the bobbins are on, we used the stethoscope and are thinking that maybe it could be bad rod bearing or piston pin. there is a fair amount of noise, right at 1800.

    

4Back to top Go down   k100 stumble at 1800rpm Empty Re: k100 stumble at 1800rpm Mon Jul 23, 2012 9:19 pm

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Have you checked the monkey nutz on the alternator drive they can get real rowdy if they are worn out. The other thing is maybe if you have a 6 rivet shaft the rivets could be losing their grip.


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5Back to top Go down   k100 stumble at 1800rpm Empty Re: k100 stumble at 1800rpm Mon Jul 23, 2012 9:41 pm

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yep ran it with no alt, and the shaft was updated to 12 rivet.
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6Back to top Go down   k100 stumble at 1800rpm Empty Re: k100 stumble at 1800rpm Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:22 pm

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could it be lead or coil breakdown ...???

they tend to suffer more noticably when under load in the lower revs .

results could give apparent missfires and that bottom end type knock effect .


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7Back to top Go down   k100 stumble at 1800rpm Empty Re: k100 stumble at 1800rpm Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:07 pm

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is it possible the hall sensor is bad? is there a way to test it? the thing starts right up, but breaks up ,runs rough at 1800. Wires good from other bike that ran well,

    

8Back to top Go down   k100 stumble at 1800rpm Empty Re: k100 stumble at 1800rpm Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:19 pm

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ok switched out hall unit, no change, if I open up the oil fill it seems to exaggerate the problem , but I cant find any vacuum leaks, possable air flow meter?

    

9Back to top Go down   k100 stumble at 1800rpm Empty Re: k100 stumble at 1800rpm Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:54 pm

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I well could be the AFM if the variable resistance is not smooth in its progression


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10Back to top Go down   k100 stumble at 1800rpm Empty Re: k100 stumble at 1800rpm Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:00 am

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I just went out and tried the bike this morning. I pulled the vacume line from the #4 tb to the fps, not much change but i did see a small flame in the little brass nipple on backfire, so I know at least #4 is backfiring,

    

11Back to top Go down   k100 stumble at 1800rpm Empty Re: k100 stumble at 1800rpm Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:44 pm

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hi , compression test - 150 avg. over the four. start it up it, runs fine for thirty seconds or so then it starts to stumble.
checked the spark at the same time, some times yellow , good or bad?

    

12Back to top Go down   k100 stumble at 1800rpm Empty Re: k100 stumble at 1800rpm Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:17 pm

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took out air flow sensor and found the flap does not run smooth, can I clean it? does it come apart?

    

13Back to top Go down   k100 stumble at 1800rpm Empty Re: k100 stumble at 1800rpm Wed Jul 25, 2012 6:57 pm

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having being reading about the timing which is one thing you said you have done.... it can depend on where you "tune" it to as to how the vibrations are... it could be that with a slight adjustment you will loose the vibration...


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14Back to top Go down   k100 stumble at 1800rpm Empty Re: k100 stumble at 1800rpm Wed Jul 25, 2012 7:04 pm

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yes the flap runs on a pivot ....which is spring loaded from one end ....i think the other end is housed in a socket of the assembly (the other side of the air guide ) be carefull if you do anything that might contaminate the air temperature thermistor near the inlet path


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'86 k100 rs.. #######..  "Fred " (f(rame) red ) ( Fredrick leichtundschnell ) - -
bits and pieces from many kind friends across the k100 world ...with many thanks ..
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1989 K100rt #009637   "Black Betty"  (naked rt ala Nigel , now sporting an rs main fairing )
    

15Back to top Go down   k100 stumble at 1800rpm Empty Re: k100 stumble at 1800rpm Thu Jul 26, 2012 1:48 pm

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hi switched out air flow meter, 99% improvement, the flap on the old one was a bit sticky in the just starting to open range. going to try new to me, but good coils to see if that helps the last 1%
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16Back to top Go down   k100 stumble at 1800rpm Empty Re: k100 stumble at 1800rpm Sat Aug 04, 2012 10:09 pm

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I just opened up the faulty air flow meter, one of the wires had worked itself down to the point it was rubbing on the moving parts, I will put it back in service.

    

17Back to top Go down   k100 stumble at 1800rpm Empty Re: k100 stumble at 1800rpm Sat Aug 04, 2012 10:16 pm

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Great news, one more good result.


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Then he sacrifices money to recuperate his health.
And then he is so anxious about the future that he does not enjoy the present; the result being that he does not live in the present or the future; he lives as if he is never going to die, and then dies having never really lived."   Dalai Lama


Bikes 1999 K1100 LT with a Big Block 1200
    

18Back to top Go down   k100 stumble at 1800rpm Empty Re: k100 stumble at 1800rpm Sun Aug 05, 2012 4:58 am

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+1 ......good investigating ,


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'86 K100 RT..#0090401 ..."Gerty" ( Gertrude Von Clickandshift ) --------O%O
'86 k100 rs.. #######..  "Fred " (f(rame) red ) ( Fredrick leichtundschnell ) - -
bits and pieces from many kind friends across the k100 world ...with many thanks ..
1987 k100rs ########   "Red"  - (red sports rs TWB style )
1989 K100rt #009637   "Black Betty"  (naked rt ala Nigel , now sporting an rs main fairing )
    

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