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jjefferies

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Apparently I have an issue with the Gear Position Indicator on the Orange/Marakesh Red K75S. And if I'm going to have to go in there me thinks I ought to do the splines as well. I'm pretty sure they haven't been done in the past ten years. Anyway I found Drake Smith's most excellent pdf's of a step by step what needs to be done disassembly and re-assembly. Unfortunately it is for a K1100_ABSII. Here is the link if anyone would like it: http://www.kbikeparts.com/classickbikes.com/ckb.tech/0.ckb.tech.files/splinelube/K1100_ABSII_Spline_Lube_Checklist.pdf
But now my question has anyone done anything similar for the venerable K75 or K100 two valve bikes? Or even just gone through Mr. Smith's directions and marked which ones aren't appropriate for a non-abs K75/K100?

thanks.
J.

    

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Dai

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Before you go any further, do you have a sawhorse or similar to hold up the back end of the bike? Another item which I've found invaluable is a couple of 100mm x 10mm bolts with the heads cut off. When reassembling the gearbox to the engine, wind the bolts in finger-tight at the 10 and 2 oclock positions. You can then slide the gearbox forward and they'll take the weight while you line up the clutch splines.

There's two schools of thought on supporting the bike while removing the the gearbox. 

- the Chris Harris method of shoving a box under the engine to support the bike. For me, this one has no pros and all cons because you have no room to wiggle the gearbox back on
- the forum-approved method New Old post Clutch Spline Lubes 44271  of going the four extra bolts and removing the seat and mudguard/fender so you can push a sawhorse under the frame and lift the mainstand clear of the ground. This is much more stable and gives you the room to come at the gearbox from the top.

Both the Clymer and Haynes manuals have pretty decent explanations on how to remove the gearbox. For some odd reason, both seem to favour the Chris Harris method... Shocked

Search 'spline lube' or 'sawhorse' on the forum. I can't comment on sawhorse size etc. because I was the awkward bastard that made a metal foldaway version from angle-iron as I only have a small garage.


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3Back to top Go down   New Old post Clutch Spline Lubes Empty Re: New Old post Clutch Spline Lubes Thu Sep 19, 2024 8:16 am

TacKler

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Firstly take the seat off, side covers, pannier racks and then the rear mudguard.  Loosen the two 10mm nuts in the ducktail and then remove the two rear screws to remove the mudguard.  Then remove the rear wheel and roll it backwards.  You now have plenty of room to access the other stuff.  Leave the exhaust in place.  

I just place a jack under the engine, place a few pieces of wood under the engine and then lower and remove the jack.  I also have a small seat to sit on.  If you are taking the gearbox off to remove the gear indicator then you may as well clean the spines on the bench.  Take the weight of the FD 90 degree gearbox with blocks of wood before removing, after you have removed the speedo cable and rear brake.  I hang the brake unit there with a piece of lockwire until the foot peg side plate is removed.  Keep the FD gearbox upright whilst removed otherwise oil will leak out through the upper breather.  If this happens then you have just created unnecessary extra work for yourself.  Remove the rear suspension unit to give yourself more room.  Everything else as per above.  

Some people will say, there is no need to remove certain things, etc.  That's fine but as I starting out working on aeroplanes, I am used to removing what I think is sufficient to make the job easier for me.  

The K75 clutch mechanism is different to the K100, so ensure you use the correct procedure.  Check the circular boot at the rear for any cracks or splits.  Replace if in doubt because this will leak oil which I have experienced.  When refitting the gearbox to a K75 frame (as compared to a K100) you will find it very, very helpful if you have a third hand.  

If the gearbox is off, it is always a good time to check the clutch plates and the engine rear oil seal.  Look directly below the clutch plates to the housing drain hole to check if there is an oil leak from the seal.  Then wipe the housing clean to remove any small amounts of debris or oil.  

When you finally arrive at the GPI, give it a good clean and look for obvious damage.  When I last checked mine the outer body had started to crack, so I covered it in Silastic to waterproof it and have had no problems.  

Upon re-fitment apply a thin smear of grease to the swingarm pivot pins.  

I have a rather long Snap On 1/2" drive breaker bar which is a very useful tool to have for this job.  Use a small amount of anti-seize on all the bolts you refit.  A dab on a couple of threads is sufficient.  Torque all the bolts to their recommended values upon refitment.  It will give you peace of mind if nothing else.  Have a set of Torx* bits on hand in case you strip the Allen Head on a gearbox bolt.  The technique is described elsewhere.  

AND clean everything you take off as you go.  Give yourself a full day to complete the job if you have not done it before.  

Hopefully this will make the job a little easier.


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duck

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My preferred method is a sawhorse through the middle of the frame:

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Current stable:
86 Custom K100 (standard fairing, K75 Belly pan, Ceramic chromed engine covers, paralever)
K75 Frankenbrick (Paralever, K11 front end, hybrid ABS, K1100RS fairing, radial tires)
86 K75C Turbo w/ paralever
94 K1100RS
93 K1100LT
91 K1
93 K75S (K11 front end)
91 K75S (K1 front end)
14 Yamaha WR250R
98 Taxi Cab K1200RS
14 K1600GT
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MartinW

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Nearly the same as Duck, two saw horses one either side and a length of 4"'x4'' between them. It gives me more room.
Regards Martin.


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6Back to top Go down   New Old post Clutch Spline Lubes Empty Re: New Old post Clutch Spline Lubes Mon Sep 23, 2024 9:49 pm

jjefferies

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TacKler wrote:
The K75 clutch mechanism is different to the K100, so ensure you use the correct procedure.  Check the circular boot at the rear for any cracks or splits.  Replace if in doubt because this will leak oil which I have experienced.  When refitting the gearbox to a K75 frame (as compared to a K100) you will find it very, very helpful if you have a third hand. 
 
If the gearbox is off, it is always a good time to check the clutch plates and the engine rear oil seal.  Look directly below the clutch plates to the housing drain hole to check if there is an oil leak from the seal.  Then wipe the housing clean to remove any small amounts of debris or oil.  

When you finally arrive at the GPI, give it a good clean and look for obvious damage.  When I last checked mine the outer body had started to crack, so I covered it in Silastic to waterproof it and have had no problems.  

Upon re-fitment apply a thin smear of grease to the swingarm pivot pins.  

I have a rather long Snap On 1/2" drive breaker bar which is a very useful tool to have for this job.  Use a small amount of anti-seize on all the bolts you refit.  A dab on a couple of threads is sufficient.  Torque all the bolts to their recommended values upon refitment.  It will give you peace of mind if nothing else.  Have a set of Torx* bits on hand in case you strip the Allen Head on a gearbox bolt.  The technique is described elsewhere.  

AND clean everything you take off as you go.  Give yourself a full day to complete the job if you have not done it before. 

Hopefully this will make the job a little easier.
Several issues
1. My advisor has told me to insert two  long bolts in the holes below so I can pull the tranny back without it actually being taken off. BIG QUESTION: How many bolts are there holding the tranny to the engine? That is beside the 2 holding the tranny to the frame. I've taken 4 off as well as the two holding the frame to the tranny and beat on the tranny with a heavy rubber mallet but to no avail. Plan is to pull the tranny back 3-4 inches and apply grease to the clutch splines using a toothbrush mounted on a long screwdriver. The put everything back together while lubing the various splines.
2. I have removed the GPI, Like Tackler the back rubber cover literally came apart as I was unbolting it. Fixing the GPI was the initial reason for this exercise of pulling the tranny. After removing GPI unit from the machine and examining it, it appears that the whole thing has been potted/filled with some putty or epoxy. My original understanding was that the GPI could be pulled apart and cleaned. I'm still open to suggestions but this particular unit does not look like you can take it apart other than terminally.
3. I am cleaning everything as I remove it and in particular intend to refresh the paint on the swing arm and rear end which for some reason has deteriorated while stored inside.
4. Tackler said "Give yourself a full day to complete the job if you have not done it before.".  OH! How about a month? I'm into my 2nd week. But I really would like to get the project done and the bike back together before Oct 17 as I go in to have my left knee replaced then and don't expect I'll be up for motorcycle restoration work for sometime after that.

    

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duck

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There's six bolts that hold the transmission to the bellhousing, not the engine.

Don't for get to remove the two bolts on the starter motor that hold it to the transmission. Some people remove the starter but there's really no need to.


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Current stable:
86 Custom K100 (standard fairing, K75 Belly pan, Ceramic chromed engine covers, paralever)
K75 Frankenbrick (Paralever, K11 front end, hybrid ABS, K1100RS fairing, radial tires)
86 K75C Turbo w/ paralever
94 K1100RS
93 K1100LT
91 K1
93 K75S (K11 front end)
91 K75S (K1 front end)
14 Yamaha WR250R
98 Taxi Cab K1200RS
14 K1600GT
http://www.ClassicKBikes.com
    

8Back to top Go down   New Old post Clutch Spline Lubes Empty Re: New Old post Clutch Spline Lubes Tue Sep 24, 2024 1:21 pm

jjefferies

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duck wrote:There's six bolts that hold the transmission to the bellhousing, not the engine.

Don't for get to remove the two bolts on the starter motor that hold it to the transmission. Some people remove the starter but there's really no need to.
Ok, thanks Duck.  It's the little things that do me in. I got the obvious 4 and the 2 to the starter. But there are two more? The only obvious ones I saw were the alternator bolts (3). Ok will go fish! Oh, and thanks for the correction, it is the bell housing not the engine proper.
Thanks again.



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duck

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New Old post Clutch Spline Lubes Xmw8Arx


2 & 3 are the "fun" ones to deal with  Laughing


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Current stable:
86 Custom K100 (standard fairing, K75 Belly pan, Ceramic chromed engine covers, paralever)
K75 Frankenbrick (Paralever, K11 front end, hybrid ABS, K1100RS fairing, radial tires)
86 K75C Turbo w/ paralever
94 K1100RS
93 K1100LT
91 K1
93 K75S (K11 front end)
91 K75S (K1 front end)
14 Yamaha WR250R
98 Taxi Cab K1200RS
14 K1600GT
http://www.ClassicKBikes.com
    

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