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RS Rider

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As Moto-Bins had a 10% off sale last month, I decided to spring for a SPAL fan. I'll cut right to the chase.

After I mounted it to the rad, I immediately noticed that the one side of the fan mounting bracket looked too close to the rad-I couldn't see any space in between. The fan is mounted to the bracket by 4 screws, the heads of which stand proud of the bracket towards the radiator. Upon closer inspection I noticed that I couldn't slide a piece of paper between the head of the top screw on one side of the bracket and the rad core-it was resting right up against it. And the head of the bottom screw on the same side was dangerously close. The heads of the 2 screws on the other side of the bracket were fine. What the........?

The 3 mounting points on the rad (2 screws on the bottom and rubber mount on top) looked fine and weren't damaged or bent in any way. I came to the conclusion that the fan bracket was in some way out of true or whatever. I fooled around with a couple of different ways to resolve the problem as I didn't want to deal with a bunch of emails with Moto-Bins and then exchanging it.

What I came up with was a large washer that had an I.D. sufficiently large for the top rubber mount to pass through it. The washer was placed between the eyelet in the upper rad frame and the fan bracket and the rubber mount was pushed through. As the washer is 3/16" thick it keeps the fan bracket well away from the rad now.

I've attached 4 photos with text added. I hope I've made things clear.

1985 K100RS. SPAL fan upgrade problem and solution. JbMah3

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1985 K100RS. SPAL fan upgrade problem and solution. Uw77C2

    

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I am not sure what happened here. I have fitted a few of these on my Ks and have yet another on order for another K.

They have all fitted straight in with zero issues.

My guess is damage in transit at some point?


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1992 K100LT 0193214 Bertha Blue 101,000 miles
1984 K100RT 0022575 Brutus Baja Red 578 bought 36,000 now 89,150 miles
1997 K1100LT 0188024 Wotan Mystic Red 689 58,645 now 106,950 miles Deceased.
1983 K100RS 0011157 Fricka 606 Alaska Blue 29,495 miles Damn K Pox Its a Bat outta Hell Now 58,200 miles. 
1996 K1100LT 0233004 Lohengrin Mystic Red 38,000 miles currently 51,800 miles.
1983 K100RS 0004449 Odette R100 colours 58,000 miles. Sprint fairing now 63,390 miles

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1971 Yamaha 125 YAS-1
1968 Honda 125 SS
1970 Honda CD 175
1973 Honda CB500-4
Honda CX 500
    

Dai

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Probably not transit damage - with the frame being that thick something else would have broken too due to the impact forces. My guess is that it was bent on delivery to Motobins and probably bent as far back as manufacture. Nevertheless, I think your solution was the easiest one as it avoided the 'strip it - is it fixed - reassemble it - fuckit' cycle.


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RS Rider

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Dai wrote:................ it avoided the 'strip it - is it fixed - reassemble it - fuckit' cycle.

Yup. I considered disassembling it to see if I could determine what the actual issue was and could I fix it, but I wanted to avoid the rabbit hole of regret.

    

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Whilst undergoing the Big Block 'build', I used a large SPAL cooling fan, mostly due to the stainless steel intake runners taking up space near the back of the radiator, which didn't clear the OEM plastic shroud. I grabbed a slab of 3.5mm thick aluminium plate and cut out the inner circle for the air to pass through, and left flanges at three areas on the circumference with which to bolt the plate to the back of the radiator, using 'speed nuts' and rubber mounts with 6mm allen head screws. I thought I'd recorded it in the BB thread, but cannot find it, or in my collection of photos of the bike's construction. It's solid as, and works a charm.


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Dai

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If you don't have a big enough chunk of ally or you are a lazy git 1985 K100RS. SPAL fan upgrade problem and solution. 652573 you can cut a top and bottom mount and have done with two very much smaller pieces. Works a treat.


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1983 K100 naked upgraded to K100LT spec after spending time as an RS and an RT
1987 K100RT
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1978 Moto Guzzi 850-T3, 1979 Moto Guzzi 850-T3 California,1993 Moto Guzzi 1100ie California
2020 Royal Enfield Bullet 500
    

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Two Wheels Better wrote:. . . I used a large SPAL cooling fan, mostly due to the stainless steel intake runners taking up space near the back of the radiator, which didn't clear the OEM plastic shroud. I grabbed a slab of 3.5mm thick aluminium plate and cut out the inner circle for the air to pass through, and left flanges at three areas on the circumference with which to bolt the plate to the back of the radiator, using 'speed nuts' and rubber mounts with 6mm allen head screws. It's solid as, and works a charm.
1985 K100RS. SPAL fan upgrade problem and solution. 20170710

    

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Yup, there 'tis.


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1977 R75/7-100, '93 K11/K12 Big Block, '93 K1100RS, '95 R100 Mystic, '96 K1100RS, 2 x '98 K1200RS, '06 K1200R & '09 K1300GT
    

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Dai wrote:If you don't have a big enough chunk of ally or you are a lazy git 1985 K100RS. SPAL fan upgrade problem and solution. 652573 you can cut a top and bottom mount and have done with two very much smaller pieces. Works a treat.

Agree with the smaller spacers instead of a larger sheet.  You want to allow as much airflow or heat dissipation as possible with the radiator.  More so as most of the radiators will be thirty odd years old and have some form of impurities inside which will affect the efficiency of the radiator in some small way.  

Don't make things any harder for the old girl than you have to.


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TacKler wrote:Don't make things any harder for the old girl than you have to.
Not to worry, about my design, at least. A cleaned, three row radiator, exposed as it is, with a very large oil cooler hanging off the timing cover, and an oversized SPAL in concert, are more than enough on the hottest of Washington state summers, in stop 'n' go Seattle traffic.

Like a tropical breeze wafting off the Caribbean, where a tourist lies in the nuddy, sunbaking, colourful umbrella drink tilting under the sun, an unread novel cast to the sand beside the floral towel.
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"How many cars did we pass today?" "ALL of them."
1977 R75/7-100, '93 K11/K12 Big Block, '93 K1100RS, '95 R100 Mystic, '96 K1100RS, 2 x '98 K1200RS, '06 K1200R & '09 K1300GT
    

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Now you guys have me worried!  Smile  Several years ago I converted to a SPAL cooling fan and recall mounting it to the radiator using the pins/clips that pass through the radiator (between the cooling tubes) - no metal mounting bracket used. I've had no problems in the 2-3 years since - but did I miss an important point on mounting/using these SPAL fans?

    

RS Rider

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dbier wrote:Now you guys have me worried!  Smile  Several years ago I converted to a SPAL cooling fan and recall mounting it to the radiator using the pins/clips that pass through the radiator (between the cooling tubes) - no metal mounting bracket used. I've had no problems in the 2-3 years since - but did I miss an important point on mounting/using these SPAL fans?

So your fan didn't come with a mounting bracket? That bracket allows you to mount it like the OEM fan.

    

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RS Rider wrote:


So your fan didn't come with a mounting bracket? That bracket allows you to mount it like the OEM fan.
I sure don't recall a bracket - but will have to take a look when I'm back in the garage to see what I can see. But even it if had a bracket at least one of the fan's mounting holes is fastened to the radiator via the "thru-radiator" mounting pin/clip.

    

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dbier wrote:
RS Rider wrote:


So your fan didn't come with a mounting bracket? That bracket allows you to mount it like the OEM fan.
I sure don't recall a bracket - but will have to take a look when I'm back in the garage to see what I can see. But even it if had a bracket at least one of the fan's mounting holes is fastened to the radiator via the "thru-radiator" mounting pin/clip.

https://www.tills.de/product-112-113-158.html

The aluminum bracket allows you to mount the SPAL to the OEM rad fan mounts.

    

Point-Seven-five

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Laitch wrote:I like this rider's approach. 1985 K100RS. SPAL fan upgrade problem and solution. 112350
I have used that mounting technique on two bikes and it works perfectly(and I didn't need the silicone).  Super quick and easy, takes way less than an hour to make the modifications.  Biggest part of the job for me was soldering the old fan connector to the new Spal fan wires.  That should tell you how hard the modification is.


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Past:
1994 K75RT "Ilsa, She Wolf of the SS"
1988 K100RS SE "Special Ed"
1994 K75S "Cheetos"
1992 K100RS "Moby Brick" R.I.P.
1982 Honda FT500
1979 Honda XR185
1977 Honda XL125
1974 Honda XL125
1972 OSSA Pioneer 250
1968 Kawasaki 175
    

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20+ years ago I did a similar thing mounting a Davies Craig fan to the existing BMW shroud after removing the BMW fan motor  mounts. One of the concentric circles on the Davies Craig mount lined up with the BMW shroud so I just cut off the excess. The remaining Davies Craig shroud was mounted to the BMW one using homemade stainless "C" clips and pop riveted in place. I used the OEM fan blades but had to use a 10mm spacer made out of PCV storm water pipe to clear the radiator. It's never missed a beat but get regular exercise with an override switch.
Regards Martin.


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Two Wheels Better

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As for the standard plastic mount pins that press through the radiator's fins, cushioned with small, flat pads and coil springs...I installed a dual electric cooling fan and motor with manual switch after a fan clutch failure on my '85 Dodge D50 pickup (Mitsubishi 2.0 L). It functioned flawlessly for many years and thousands of miles, never marring or damaging the fins. I imagine that to be a viable option on K bikes where fabbing a plate mount or modding the original shroud might prove cumbersome to some.

    

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Well, my fans came/come with the mounting bracket and the whole assembly bolts straight on to the radiator.


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1992 K100LT 0193214 Bertha Blue 101,000 miles
1984 K100RT 0022575 Brutus Baja Red 578 bought 36,000 now 89,150 miles
1997 K1100LT 0188024 Wotan Mystic Red 689 58,645 now 106,950 miles Deceased.
1983 K100RS 0011157 Fricka 606 Alaska Blue 29,495 miles Damn K Pox Its a Bat outta Hell Now 58,200 miles. 
1996 K1100LT 0233004 Lohengrin Mystic Red 38,000 miles currently 51,800 miles.
1983 K100RS 0004449 Odette R100 colours 58,000 miles. Sprint fairing now 63,390 miles

Past:
1968 Yamaha 80 YG1
1971 Yamaha 125 YAS-1
1968 Honda 125 SS
1970 Honda CD 175
1973 Honda CB500-4
Honda CX 500
    

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You don't need a fancy bracket to mount a SPAL fan. All you need to mount a SPAL fan is a couple of scraps of aluminum bar stock. This is easy to do and lets more air pass by:

1985 K100RS. SPAL fan upgrade problem and solution. Spalfa2


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86 Custom K100 (standard fairing, K75 Belly pan, Ceramic chromed engine covers, paralever)
K75 Frankenbrick (Paralever, K11 front end, hybrid ABS, K1100RS fairing, radial tires)
86 K75C Turbo w/ paralever
94 K1100RS
93 K1100LT
91 K1
93 K75S (K11 front end)
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To keep the bolts from contacting the radiator fins just countersink some flat head screws:

1985 K100RS. SPAL fan upgrade problem and solution. 41OatAH3JQL._SY445_SX342_QL70_FMwebp_


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Current stable:
86 Custom K100 (standard fairing, K75 Belly pan, Ceramic chromed engine covers, paralever)
K75 Frankenbrick (Paralever, K11 front end, hybrid ABS, K1100RS fairing, radial tires)
86 K75C Turbo w/ paralever
94 K1100RS
93 K1100LT
91 K1
93 K75S (K11 front end)
91 K75S (K1 front end)
14 Yamaha WR250R
98 Taxi Cab K1200RS
14 K1600GT
http://www.ClassicKBikes.com
    

RS Rider

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duck wrote:To keep the bolts from contacting the radiator fins just countersink some flat head screws:

1985 K100RS. SPAL fan upgrade problem and solution. 41OatAH3JQL._SY445_SX342_QL70_FMwebp_

I was, in fact, going to do that but I had the large washer handy, not the screws. The former was the easiest solution for me at the time.

You're right about a couple of pieces of aluminum bar stock allowing more air flow. The SPAL fan with its associated mounting bracket is more obstructive to the airflow than the OEM fan. It will be interesting to see how fast the SPAL cools my bike down once riding season starts again.

    

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Even in hot weather, once you get moving a few miles an hour the K fan more or less never comes on so I don't think that the surface area covered by a fancy SPAL bracket makes a material difference.

I just did it my way with the two little aluminum pieces because I'm lazy and cheap. LOL.


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Current stable:
86 Custom K100 (standard fairing, K75 Belly pan, Ceramic chromed engine covers, paralever)
K75 Frankenbrick (Paralever, K11 front end, hybrid ABS, K1100RS fairing, radial tires)
86 K75C Turbo w/ paralever
94 K1100RS
93 K1100LT
91 K1
93 K75S (K11 front end)
91 K75S (K1 front end)
14 Yamaha WR250R
98 Taxi Cab K1200RS
14 K1600GT
http://www.ClassicKBikes.com
    

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Lazy and cheap...  A man after my own heart!


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Present: 1991 K100RS "Moby Brick Too"
 
Past:
1994 K75RT "Ilsa, She Wolf of the SS"
1988 K100RS SE "Special Ed"
1994 K75S "Cheetos"
1992 K100RS "Moby Brick" R.I.P.
1982 Honda FT500
1979 Honda XR185
1977 Honda XL125
1974 Honda XL125
1972 OSSA Pioneer 250
1968 Kawasaki 175
    

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