Pannier key 044

Stan · 1 Pannier key 044 Fri Jul 27, 2012 6:10 am

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Wanted a key for the old style panniers, the ones with the hidden lock on the front. The number is 044. Any help would be appreciated.

Guest · 2 Re: Pannier key 044 Sun Jul 29, 2012 11:26 pm

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ainsjac wrote:Wanted a key for the old style panniers, the ones with the hidden lock on the front. The number is 044. Any help would be appreciated.

Have you got a picture of the style of lock you're looking for?

Stan · 3 Re: Pannier key 044 Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:25 am

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Apparently it is a small flat key.

Guest · 4 Re: Pannier key 044 Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:27 am

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ainsjac wrote:Apparently it is a small flat key.

Sorry mate, I can't help. I've got a few of the barrel style locks in the man cave, but nothing that would fit your application.

Stan · 5 Re: Pannier key 044 Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:29 am

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Thanks, any way.

rosskko · 6 Re: Pannier key 044 Mon Jul 30, 2012 5:04 am

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I have the city /ex police panniers for my bike and here is the key. Unfortunately #63

Well after many years I just tried my keys. One says 063 and is the same cut as the other but is too thick to fit the lock. The other says Eureka Locksmiths, Dubbo.

It works fine but only goes in as far as the first little notch.
I guess the 063 is the original
I am not sure how that helps, but at least I got in before Inge

rossco

blaKey · 7 Re: Pannier key 044 Mon Jul 30, 2012 5:24 am

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"but at least I got in before Inge"

Laughing

Stan · 8 Re: Pannier key 044 Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:38 am

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Rossco, that key must be very old. That locksmith ceased to exist in Dubbo a long time ago. Thanks for your info...it will come in handy, some way.

88 · 9 Re: Pannier key 044 Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:43 am

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blakey wrote:"but at least I got in before Inge"

+1

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Inge K. · 10 Re: Pannier key 044 Mon Jul 30, 2012 10:35 am

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OK, you funny guys................... Very Happy

Did look through mine a couple of days ago, didn`t got a 044 (but it was close)
...........so I didn`t bother..........

Pannier key 044 Nakler10

Then we have started a collection, any more of the first generation pannier keys out there................?

88 · 11 Re: Pannier key 044 Mon Jul 30, 2012 12:00 pm

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Yep but mine's out by 10..!

054.

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Two Wheels Better · 12 Re: Pannier key 044 Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:45 pm

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Here's the 'new' BMW part number for the old-style, and probably NoLongerAvailable, pannier key:
95 00 2 300 011, Key 044

This is the original part number:
71 60 1 467 565

Info from a BMWNorthAmerica bulletin dated November, 2004.

https://www.bmwmc.net/catalog/71-14-2004%20%28104%29%20Saddlebag%20Keys%20for%20Earlier%20Motorcycles.pdf

Perhaps a dealer has some old stock...

Good ruck.

sidecar paul · 13 Re: Pannier key 044 Mon Jul 30, 2012 5:27 pm

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I can do:- 045, 053, 040 and 059,

Close, but might as well be a mile off.

Paul.

twincarb · 14 Re: Pannier key 044 Mon Jul 30, 2012 5:35 pm

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you may find what your looking for under this link.... BMW parts bulk mind you it may work out to be a bit on the expensive side if you do or don't find it...

Two Wheels Better · 15 Re: Pannier key 044 Mon Jul 30, 2012 5:40 pm

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twincarb wrote:you may find what you're looking for under this link.... BMW parts bulk mind you it may work out to be a bit on the expensive side if you do or don't find it...

Oh, for a coupla hours in that mess with a shopping trolley...

Brilliant find, Twincarb! Now we continue dreaming.

Stan · 16 Re: Pannier key 044 Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:15 pm

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Twin Carb....I bet 044 is missing from that collection! Imagine buying the lot and no bloody key. We should have a new section in this forum.........Key collections.....cheaper than bike collection. Thanks to all those who have looked.

K75cster · 17 Re: Pannier key 044 Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:36 am

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I have 058, 061, 049. 058,061 appear the same stock and 049 appears slightly different looking down the barrells but looking from the bottom they all appear within a whisker of each other as far as being cut, That make sense????

Rick G · 18 Re: Pannier key 044 Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:57 am

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Better have a look at the ones I got as they are keyless.

88 · 19 Re: Pannier key 044 Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:14 am

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Most locks that age are well worn - it would be worth trying others keys in them every opportunity you get. You might find another number does it!

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Inge K. · 20 Re: Pannier key 044 Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:15 am

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K75cster wrote:I have 058, 061, 049. 058,061 appear the same stock and 049 appears slightly different looking down the barrells but looking from the bottom they all appear within a whisker of each other as far as being cut, That make sense????

The difference on the ones I got is in the longitudinal groove.

sidecar paul · 21 Re: Pannier key 044 Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:29 pm

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Good call Inge,

Mine all look very similar from the side view, but the grooves and thicknesses vary.

Paul.

Stan · 22 Re: Pannier key 044 Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:56 pm

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I checked with my local locksmith and their data base has no reference to that lock. The suggestion is that the panniers were out sourced (Krauser?) to begin with and that is why the different keys. Apparently that is how the Japaneses bikes started out.
Just noticed on ebay, from Hamburg a bloke has a stack of the early keys for sale....but not the one I want.

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krambo · 23 Re: Pannier key 044 Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:42 pm

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My K100RT is 1984 - first registered in the UK 1985 and the original pannier keys are numbered 049 - as far as I know they are the original panniers and I have 2 keys, both 049 so could probably get some cut if needed Wink

rosskko · 24 Re: Pannier key 044 Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:58 pm

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Have a look here. Bit expensive for a key, but it is a 044

Key 044

Hopefully this is a current listing. It seems to be ok

The later Touring panniers used a different key system with a three digit number such as 054, 047 etc. These keys are impossible to find new and I have a very limited selection of the following used keys:

Key 044 Two available

Key 046 One available

Key 047 Three available

Key 054 Six available

When they're gone, they're gone

£8.00 (each)

Order Options

UK P&P Included

Rick G · 25 Re: Pannier key 044 Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:22 pm

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The keys are the same as on the R80RT I had and they were Krausers but now the big question where the F$&*^%g hell is the number?
I have looked all over mine and can't find any numbers. Probably just going blind.

Stan · 26 Re: Pannier key 044 Wed Aug 01, 2012 12:07 am

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Thanks for all your help, have ordered one of those keys from UK. Also, found out that Munich Motorcycles can get them in via special order from Germany for $18 that is for Aust people.

K75cster · 27 Re: Pannier key 044 Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:50 am

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Inge I will go out into the shed and have another look I see what you mean taa

K75cster · 28 Re: Pannier key 044 Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:59 am

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Remind me not to loose mine, as I've now checked the keys out as per Inge's comment and they are different. 58 and 61 appear mirrored in the grooves

Inge K. · 29 Re: Pannier key 044 Thu Aug 02, 2012 8:09 am

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You don`t need to go further than back to the pictures in this thread.

043 has a wide groove which is straight at both sides.

049 has a narrow groove which is straight at one side and angled at the other.

063 has a narrow groove which is angled at both sides.

charlie99 · 30 Re: Pannier key 044 Thu Aug 02, 2012 8:34 am

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Inge K. wrote:

K75cster wrote:I have 058, 061, 049. 058,061 appear the same stock and 049 appears slightly different looking down the barrells but looking from the bottom they all appear within a whisker of each other as far as being cut, That make sense????

The difference on the ones I got is in the longitudinal groove.

from what i have seen tthe difference is not in the keying (dips and cuts in the blank ) ...but the key profile (ie : as inge suggests ...grooves along the length ).....really hard to find out here .....you might like to look for "nieman

" creator of the keys and i guess the key profiles

Rick G · 31 Re: Pannier key 044 Thu Aug 02, 2012 8:35 am

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Hey I need to know where the number is I cant find it on the ones I bought.

Inge K. · 32 Re: Pannier key 044 Thu Aug 02, 2012 8:42 am

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Rick G wrote:Hey I need to know where the number is I cant find it on the ones I bought.

Non genuine keys?.............have a look at the pictures earlier in this thread.

charlie99 · 33 Re: Pannier key 044 Thu Aug 02, 2012 8:55 am

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rossco wrote:I have the city /ex police panniers for my bike and here is the key. Unfortunately #63

Well after many years I just tried my keys. One says 063 and is the same cut as the other but is too thick to fit the lock. The other says Eureka Locksmiths, Dubbo.

It works fine but only goes in as far as the first little notch.
I guess the 063 is the original
I am not sure how that helps, but at least I got in before Inge

rossco

a hand cut key rossco !!!.....good idea though ...the grooves along the length might let it fit a few different lock profiles ?

Rick G · 34 Re: Pannier key 044 Thu Aug 02, 2012 9:49 am

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Rick G wrote:Hey I need to know where the number is I cant find it on the ones I bought.

I will try again

Where abouts on the lock can I find the number of the key needed.
I can't see any numbers on the lock.

Inge K. · 35 Re: Pannier key 044 Thu Aug 02, 2012 10:05 am

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charlie99 · 36 Re: Pannier key 044 Thu Aug 02, 2012 10:09 am

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was looking for the same pic inge ....good work mate !

Rick G · 37 Re: Pannier key 044 Thu Aug 02, 2012 10:12 am

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Thanks maybe its full of dirt or paint. Or maybe I need new glasses.

Inge K. · 38 Re: Pannier key 044 Thu Aug 02, 2012 10:33 am

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Inge K. wrote:Then we have started a collection, any more of the first generation pannier keys out there................?

My idea with this was, that anyone with the first generation locks post a good picture of the key.
To see the different shapes of the grooves.

And help those ones who search a key, what they should look like........and maybe also find a alternative non genuine key (like Rossco).

sidecar paul · 39 Re: Pannier key 044 Thu Aug 02, 2012 4:31 pm

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Inge, your wish is my command.

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Inge K. · 40 Re: Pannier key 044 Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:14 pm

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Good one Paul, I haven`t even noticed that it also is a groove on the rear side
(on the 043, it isn`t).

Pannier key 044 Hpim0919

Stan · 41 Re: Pannier key 044 Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:45 pm

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I was informed by Brian....bloke from Munich Motorcycles, here in Australia that the average number of keys that will fit a particular lock is three. That is 3 different numbered keys will fit a single lock. The big question is ...which keys? He couldn't tell me because he said wear and tear of locks and keys allow the interchangability.

charlie99 · 42 Re: Pannier key 044 Thu Aug 02, 2012 10:10 pm

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verry well done inge and paul ....both sides is important ......would be even better with an end shot to see the profile in detail ...but almost impossible to do (after a little experimenting)

charlie99 · 43 Re: Pannier key 044 Fri Aug 03, 2012 9:01 am

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charlie99 wrote:

Inge K. wrote:

Rick G wrote:Found the numbers on the paniers, they were buried in paint and I need 4 different keys. I have 1 x 44, 3 x 49, 1 x 56 and 1 x 65 Arrrrgg.

Then you only need some more key pictures, some 2mm sheet metal, your dremel and needle files.
And you would be occupied for some evenings...............

we did see a key in there that was kinda common inge ...it was a standard blank of a l&f key that i saw as a donor .....this key is easy to modify and verry "available " although wider than the key we need .

it should serve well as a blank for "manipulation " to make things work

ill get a new one and take a pic ...as it is supplied, to offer for ideas and constructive critism ?

Stan · 44 Re: Pannier key 044 Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:37 pm

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OK Charlie, must be because it is Saturday...didn't I just read this exact post in another topic?

charlie99 · 45 Re: Pannier key 044 Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:46 pm

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your right stan ....just thought it would be easier when we go looking for the thread again ...."panieer key" seems the easiest way to remember it ?

RT · 46 Pannier key 044 Sat Aug 04, 2012 3:41 am

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Remember what

charlie99 · 47 Re: Pannier key 044 Sat Aug 04, 2012 3:47 am

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good one rt .....needed a laugh

life under a front wheel drive engine is a bit taxing at the moment ....

Stan · 48 Re: Pannier key 044 Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:07 am

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Today"s mail had a surprise from "boxer Man."

The magic key 044....and it works!

Can I now join the KEY CLUB with all the others? Tomorrow I will try and get a copy cut.....if I do I will then be able to let people know what the blank is.

charlie99 · 49 Re: Pannier key 044 Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:34 am

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hmm good chance stan ...as its flat one side

rosskko · 50 Re: Pannier key 044 Wed Aug 08, 2012 4:10 am

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Really glad that key works. Lot to spend just to make your key ring heavier and more inconvenient to find the key you actually want.

On an unrelated note, just opened a bottle of wine. Had to look for the cork screw.

rossco

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