1 1989 K100RS SE Won't Start Tue Feb 25, 2020 12:00 pm
Point-Seven-five
Life time member
Last September I bought a non-running 1989 K100RS SE with ABS basket case that had 48,000 miles. The seller told me it had been sitting for about 10 years in the back of a BMW dealer's shop before he got it and put it in his garage for an additional 2 years.
I did a fairly extensive restoration on it, and when I was done it started easily and ran well. After several running sessions and a couple of very short rides(only a mile or two, bike has no plates) I put it away for the winter in November
In early January I tried to start it to charge the battery and circulate the oil, but no joy. The engine flooded and the spark plugs came out sooty and wet. After cleaning the plugs, the engine started, but had a lot of trouble, running on one or two cylinders, backfiring, missing, and dumping fuel out of the joint between the header pipes and the silencer. After a couple minutes of struggling, the engine begins to fire a little more consistantly and once it is finally able to warm up it runs smoothly, and starts easily.
Next day I try to start, and it's back to flooding again.
The bike has new:
Fuel injectors
Fuel pump
Fuel filter,
Fuel lines
Fuel pump mounting
Fuel level sender and pump wiring
Spark plugs
Air filter
Z-tube
The tank has been thoroughly cleaned and filled with fresh non-ethanol premium fuel. The fuel rail has been thoroughly cleaned and the electrical connections have all been cleaned with Deoxit. The injectors pulse and spray a good pattern when the engine is cranking. The fuel pressure regulator provides a steady 36psi to the rail and holds pressure for at least 30 seconds when the engine is stopped.
The hall effect sensors are good and the timing is correct. The coils check good resistance and the plug wires have the proper resistance from the coil connection through to the center electrode of the spark plug when it's plugged into the cable. Spark on all plugs is strong when the plugs are clean, and a bit weaker when they are wet and fouled.
Valve clearances were set to .008 intake and .012 on exhaust, the air bypass screws were set to 1 1/2 turns out and then adjusted to balance the throttle bodies. Idle was set to 1000rpm.
AFM has been checked and cleaned. It now gives proper resistance readings per Bert's troubleshooting guide. Air temperature and water temperature have been checked numerous times and give proper readings every time both at the sensor terminals and the EFI plug. All terminals have been cleaned with Deoxit.
Compression is good and the engine burns no oil. The battery is kept charged and the starter turns the engine vigorously. The tachometer is working properly. The electrical system is working properly with the alternator charging the battery.
This has me totally stumped, I have no idea where to look next. None of my searches point me to anything else I can look at. I understand the Jetronic has some sort of rich starting setting built in that controls injection until the engine fires. Is this starting mixture adjustable somehow, or do I need to replace the Jetronic box? I really don't want to spend the money to get another one if I don't have to.
I did a fairly extensive restoration on it, and when I was done it started easily and ran well. After several running sessions and a couple of very short rides(only a mile or two, bike has no plates) I put it away for the winter in November
In early January I tried to start it to charge the battery and circulate the oil, but no joy. The engine flooded and the spark plugs came out sooty and wet. After cleaning the plugs, the engine started, but had a lot of trouble, running on one or two cylinders, backfiring, missing, and dumping fuel out of the joint between the header pipes and the silencer. After a couple minutes of struggling, the engine begins to fire a little more consistantly and once it is finally able to warm up it runs smoothly, and starts easily.
Next day I try to start, and it's back to flooding again.
The bike has new:
Fuel injectors
Fuel pump
Fuel filter,
Fuel lines
Fuel pump mounting
Fuel level sender and pump wiring
Spark plugs
Air filter
Z-tube
The tank has been thoroughly cleaned and filled with fresh non-ethanol premium fuel. The fuel rail has been thoroughly cleaned and the electrical connections have all been cleaned with Deoxit. The injectors pulse and spray a good pattern when the engine is cranking. The fuel pressure regulator provides a steady 36psi to the rail and holds pressure for at least 30 seconds when the engine is stopped.
The hall effect sensors are good and the timing is correct. The coils check good resistance and the plug wires have the proper resistance from the coil connection through to the center electrode of the spark plug when it's plugged into the cable. Spark on all plugs is strong when the plugs are clean, and a bit weaker when they are wet and fouled.
Valve clearances were set to .008 intake and .012 on exhaust, the air bypass screws were set to 1 1/2 turns out and then adjusted to balance the throttle bodies. Idle was set to 1000rpm.
AFM has been checked and cleaned. It now gives proper resistance readings per Bert's troubleshooting guide. Air temperature and water temperature have been checked numerous times and give proper readings every time both at the sensor terminals and the EFI plug. All terminals have been cleaned with Deoxit.
Compression is good and the engine burns no oil. The battery is kept charged and the starter turns the engine vigorously. The tachometer is working properly. The electrical system is working properly with the alternator charging the battery.
This has me totally stumped, I have no idea where to look next. None of my searches point me to anything else I can look at. I understand the Jetronic has some sort of rich starting setting built in that controls injection until the engine fires. Is this starting mixture adjustable somehow, or do I need to replace the Jetronic box? I really don't want to spend the money to get another one if I don't have to.
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Present: 1991 K100RS "Moby Brick Too"
Past:
1994 K75RT "Ilsa, She Wolf of the SS"
1988 K100RS SE "Special Ed"
1994 K75S "Cheetos"
1992 K100RS "Moby Brick" R.I.P.
1982 Honda FT500
1979 Honda XR185
1977 Honda XL125
1974 Honda XL125
1972 OSSA Pioneer 250
1968 Kawasaki 175