Hi Everyone from Sydney Australia.

First of all what a great forum and wealth of information for these bikes - thank you to all the active members who contribute and keep this site going.

Well, my first ever BMW, and my mates over on the Tiger1050 forum seem to have gone lightly on me for the sacrilege   I restored a '74 Triumph Bonneville over 20 years ago for a high school project and haven't done any riding or wrenching in that time.  About two years ago I bought the 2012 Tiger 1050 which I lurrrve to scratch that itch that had been bugging me for years, and now the Trumpy has a very tired stable mate in the form of an '85 K100 RT that is in need of some loving care.

The bike has about 70,000 km's and my mate who I bought it off heard it running just before he brought it to my place.  My mate got it from a local mechanic who got it running intermittently by connecting a battery directly to the starter motor, so I think it's needs a starter relay.

As you can see from the photos it's a definite project bike.  I've been wanting to get stuck into a project for a long time, and my mate got me looking at the K bikes.  My mate incidently has a low miler Jap import coming on the slow boat from Japan, so we'll be out riding in Wollongong/Camden (south and south-west of Sydney) at some point on our K bikes.  My mate will keep his original as it's in very good condition, and I'll be doing some kind of brat type conversion (I need a two-seater so my wife can ride with me!)

My plan is to invest my time and passion into the bike then keep it forever.  I will be conscious of the cost of the project, but resale value is not a consideration.  I plan on making it all black with a nice black gloss tank.  The project will take quite some time as I have two young kids and won't get a lot of time in the garage to myself!  I'm a fitter and machinist by trade and a mechanical engineer, but that was a long time ago.  I've been working in IT for the last 15 years.

I've already learnt a lot, but there's a long way to go!  It's a bloody heavy big lump too!  I've got to figure out how to support it as it's missing the centre stand and side stand.

My plan is to start stripping it down then get it running again upon reassembly with the painted and reconditioned parts.  Or is the collective wisdom that I should get it running first to make sure all is ok before I jump into the project?

I'm planning on using the motogadget m-unit/switches/speedo, but everyone seems to say the K-electrics are more complex than other bikes.  Any advice from anyone who's done this?

Like MaraudeRS who has joined here recently, I'll join the motobrick forum too as that seems to be another great resource.  I've been following his thread on that forum with interest.

I'll see if I can get some pics up.

Cheers All! 

Beautiful.....or will be after you have bonded. There are many K,s in Sydney look out for them...welcome aboard.

KKlompy

Welcome to the forum. It may pay you getting a centre stand early... makes the other steps a little easier.

ainsjac wrote:Welcome to the forum. It may pay you getting a centre stand early... makes the other steps a little easier.

hint the early ones were rubbish and the sidestand component rat trap surprising....you are going to have so much fun....

Thanks for the welcome guys.  I'll get my VIN and model up in my signature tonight.  I've found the VIN checker so will run through that and see what happens.

Just eBay for the stands the best bet?

Welcome to the forum too!

As for the stands get the complete assembly for the later ones but ....are you planning to keep the rear end as is...? If you are getting the stand set up early is wise as it makes everything much easier.

You seem to have the earlier duck tail which suggests the fuel tank is bolted down with a single bolt at the rear, and the clocks show a 4 and 7 litre warning light on the speedo, with the electrical connection to the tank at the front left of the tank. This would be an early tank.

You will enjoy the K, they are nice to work on when you have the help of the forum.

Getting to meet other K owners too is all part of the fun!!

92KK 84WW Olaf wrote:Welcome to the forum too!

As for the stands get the complete assembly for the later ones but ....are you planning to keep the rear end as is...? If you are getting the stand set up early is wise as it makes everything much easier.

You seem to have the earlier duck tail which suggests the fuel tank is bolted down with a single bolt at the rear, and the clocks show a 4 and 7 litre warning light on the speedo, with the electrical connection to the tank at the front left of the tank. This would be an early tank.

You will enjoy the K, they are nice to work on when you have the help of the forum.

Getting to meet other K owners too is all part of the fun!!

Thanks Olaf!

Wow that's amazing you could see the 4L and 7L lights on the dash!  And yes, the tank is bolted down with one bolt to a bracket that is bolted to the frame.  And yes, I can see an electrical connection at the front left of the tank.

I'll start looking for the stand assembly - what is a "later" model bike?

What do you mean by rear end?  I'm planning on doing some cutting/modifying of the rear sub frame, but the drive train will remain stock.

Cheers,
Nods

I wish I could take credit for seeing the 4 and 7 lights on the dash all the way from Ireland.

Its just a case of knowing the Ks and having a 92 LT and an 84RT and finding not much swaps between the two....

That tank difference points you to earlier wiring looms, no fuel gauge, different clocks, different seat and lots of other subtle differences.

Final drive same is good, now if you are working in there you will be checking it out and probably looking at a 16 spline drive shaft and not the later 20 spline one.

7 years ago I knew nothing about Ks......wouldn't be without one. I hope have googled 'Kpox'. Its highly contagious.

You have some great knowledge locally and we have met some of the guys who have travelled up here.

I guess for now loads of WD40 in preparation for loosening up things.....

92KK 84WW Olaf wrote:I guess for now loads of WD40 in preparation for loosening up things.....

Ha funny you should mention that - I just went around the bike last night with the WD40 

Thanks for the other advice on the differences. I'm hoping the splines will be in decent condition.

92KK 84WW Olaf wrote:I guess for now loads of WD40 in preparation for loosening up things.....

You would be better off using a decent releasing agent rather than WD40. We have stuff like 'shock & Unlock' but loads of other product about.

Mike

mike d wrote:

92KK 84WW Olaf wrote:I guess for now loads of WD40 in preparation for loosening up things.....

You would be better off using a decent releasing agent rather than WD40. We have stuff like 'shock & Unlock' but loads of other product about.

Mike

Cheers Mike thanks for that. I'll see what the local auto parts store has in stock.

Welcome to the forum Nods.

Basic2 wrote:Welcome to the forum Nods.

Cool another Sydney-sider, thanks for the welcome mate.

Nice looking bike in your avatar pic.

nods wrote:I'll be doing some kind of brat type conversion (I need a two-seater so my wife can ride with me!)

Welcome, nods!

Strictly speaking, I think brats are solo, untamed bikes depicting lack of concern for appearance or conformity. In the same rebellious spirit though—but because a woman will be involved—perhaps a better name for the style you're aiming at would be layabout. 


Deployment of the full acuity of my global vision shows me your fuel tank cap is 180º out of rotation—a condition that can lead to infiltration of water into the fuel system—so you might consider adjusting that if the bike ever is intended to be in the rain, or washed. If you look into the tank and see black sludge, it isn't Vegemite. It's a product created by the transmogrification of your fuel pump's vibration damper and the fuel lines.

Bon voyage!

Laitch wrote:

nods wrote:I'll be doing some kind of brat type conversion (I need a two-seater so my wife can ride with me!)

Welcome, nods!

Strictly speaking, I think brats are solo, untamed bikes depicting lack of concern for appearance or conformity. In the same rebellious spirit though—but because a woman will be involved—perhaps a better name for the style you're aiming at would be layabout. 


Deployment of the full acuity of my global vision shows me your fuel tank cap is 180º out of rotation—a condition that can lead to infiltration of water into the fuel system—so you might consider that if the bike ever is intended to be in the rain, or washed. If you look into the tank and see black sludge, it isn't Vegemite. It's a product created by the transmogrification of your fuel pump's vibration damper and the fuel lines.

Bon voyage!

Thanks for the welcome Laitch. Great internet vision - spot on with the tank cap I will spin that around, or drill a drain hole as Chris Harris said in one of his videos I watched on the train home.  I definitely need the tank cap service kit as it's all seized up.

Hopefully no transmogrification has taken place, but I'm sure I'll find traces of it in various places! My initial peak inside the tank looked pretty clean, but I'll need to inspect closer.

Oh and I have to adjust the km's up to 117,000 after looking at the instruments tonight. I did a registration check and the rego expired in Aug 2011, so 5 years sitting idle.

Welkome Nods, as well as the Sydneysiders nearby there are a bunch of knuts up here in the Hunter Valley.

Would be good to meet up with some of us so keep an eye out for rides being planned - and you will be welkomed on any two wheel device (or 4 as well) so don't wait until you have the K sorted.

Cheers

Well, it seems that as no-one has actually mentioned what stand assembly you need, I claim the brownie points!!! You want one off a K1100; it's a drop-fit, easier to use and not prone to internal rusting like the K100 tubular stand is. As you appear to have a sidestand, that suggests that the stand assembly mounting frame is still attached to the underside of the gearbox.

Oh - and Olaf: you can see the two fuel pump symbols so we'll pretend that you didn't admit to not seeing them.

And if the stand assembly is still mounted then the K1100 stand won't fit it, you will need the early K100 centre stand.

If you keep the assembly, to fit the K1100 stand you will need the whole K1100 assembly.

Tried it.

Another pudding for Dai. I didn't mention the type of stand because I didn't know what was happening the final drive.

And I didn't see the clocks even.

Dai wrote:Oh - and Olaf: you can see the two fuel pump symbols so we'll pretend that you didn't admit to not seeing them.

Seriously???? I guess I need a trip to the optician....I can see that the tank and the duck tail are different colours (aren't they?) but as for the fine detail, I am really struggling to read the VIN on the frame!

Welcome Nods,

As you'll have detected already a huge amount of help available from those local to you and those a little further a field all blended to perfection with a healthy dose of good natured banter.

Good luck with your project - eBay/gumtree can be your friend, but somethings are best bought from proper dealers. Motorworks (amongst others) in the UK seem to do a roaring trade exporting essential parts down under. 

I look forward to seeing the finished product.

klompy the grey brick wrote:Beautiful.....or will be after you have bonded. There are many K,s in Sydney look out for them...welcome aboard.

KKlompy

Hey KKlompy,

Richmond in NSW or VIC?

WelKome, nods, from down the road in Goulburn.

This link shows my experience with a centre stand. I'm not alone in the break, I can assure you.

Bill

Having trouble quoting and replying to Gaz's offer to meet up for a ride while on my phone on the train.  I'll try again later on the laptop.

In the meantime I'll get some more pics up (which is a bit tedious on my phone!)

The fuel tank doesn't look too bad, and no side stand or center stand. Thanks for the tips on the K1100 assembly!

Gaz wrote:Welkome Nods, as well as the Sydneysiders nearby there are a bunch of knuts up here in the Hunter Valley.

Would be good to meet up with some of us so keep an eye out for rides being planned - and you will be welkomed on any two wheel device (or 4 as well) so don't wait until you have the K sorted.

Cheers

Thanks for the welcome Gaz.  I'd love to take a spin up the Putty Road and come for a ride with you guys.  I'll ride the Tiger but look forward to the day when I can join you on my K.  Is that offer open to Harley riders too    I only ask because the "Hardley" riders cop a fair bit of stick on the Tiger forum   I don't have a Harley, but have a mate who does... 

I'll be sure to keep an eye out - it would be great to check out your bikes and have a yarn.

Cheers,
Nods

Stick?

Never?

But then I googled 'Harley' and found this.......




Us Eccentrics have some well established mates who come along on other bikes and are very welcome. No stick at all. I have little doubt that you will be most welcome. Lots of the guys on the forum have other makes of bikes and take them out from time to time.

Dai wrote:Well, it seems that as no-one has actually mentioned what stand assembly you need, I claim the brownie points!!! You want one off a K1100; it's a drop-fit, easier to use and not prone to internal rusting like the K100 tubular stand is. As you appear to have a sidestand, that suggests that the stand assembly mounting frame is still attached to the underside of the gearbox.

Oh - and Olaf: you can see the two fuel pump symbols so we'll pretend that you didn't admit to not seeing them.

Thanks for the info Dai.  I don't have a side stand - it's just leaning against the bench.  All I have is the four bolts that hold the mounting plate to the underside of the gearbox, but there's no mounting plate/frame.

I've been on the phone to Motorworks in the UK tonight and ordered the K1100 centre stand and side stand, and springs, bolts, etc.  It took a while to get the guy on the other end to understand what I was after, but we got there eventually.  I thought I'd get the stand first so I can at least get the bike into some space where I can walk around it properly, and start looking at lines for the tank and seat, with a view to a potential rear sub-frame mod.

Again, appreciate the info on getting the stronger K1100 stand, as this bikes going to be a keeper! 

92KK 84WW Olaf wrote:Another pudding for Dai. I didn't mention the type of stand because I didn't know what was happening the final drive.

And I didn't see the clocks even.

Mmmm, pudding... 

Born Again Eccentric wrote:

Dai wrote:Oh - and Olaf: you can see the two fuel pump symbols so we'll pretend that you didn't admit to not seeing them.

Seriously???? I guess I need a trip to the optician....I can see that the tank and the duck tail are different colours (aren't they?) but as for the fine detail, I am really struggling to read the VIN on the frame!

Welcome Nods,

As you'll have detected already a huge amount of help available from those local to you and those a little further a field all blended to perfection with a healthy dose of good natured banter.

Good luck with your project - eBay/gumtree can be your friend, but somethings are best bought from proper dealers. Motorworks (amongst others) in the UK seem to do a roaring trade exporting essential parts down under. 

I look forward to seeing the finished product.

Thanks a lot mate.  Yep the tank must have been replaced at some point, as the front fairing and tail are the same green colour, while the tank is blue.  I'll have to get around to putting up some pics of the fairing to see if anyone wants to buy it.

I did look at wreckers and ebay/gumtree for the centre stand, but it looked like a risk getting the right mounting plate for the K1100 stand and the side stand to all fit together, so I bit the bullet and outlaid the first of much cash to Motorworks tonight to make sure I got everything together and so it will fit.  $340 AUD ouch!  Why did the PO have to take it off?!   Although from what I've read it may have been a blessing in disguise as it may have already failed.

indian036 wrote:WelKome, nods, from down the road in Goulburn.

This link shows my experience with a centre stand. I'm not alone in the break, I can assure you.

Bill

Thanks Bill.  I'm actually a bit closer to Goulburn than Sydney, as I live at Cobbitty, so a short hop to the Hume Highway.

I shouldn't have read your post on the stand - saw Dai found a complete K1100 assembly for 30 quid   Lesson learned - I'll be more patient with future purchases (yeah right!)

92KK 84WW Olaf wrote:Stick?

Never?

But then I googled 'Harley' and found this.......




Us Eccentrics have some well established mates who come along on other bikes and are very welcome. No stick at all. I have little doubt that you will be most welcome. Lots of the guys on the forum have other makes of bikes and take them out from time to time.

Good stuff Olaf - If they're on two wheels they must be alright 

A few more pics.  The fuel tank doesn't look too bad but I'm curious to take the cap off so I can have a poke around in there and see the state of the components.

And going by my signature with the VIN lookup, what year bike do I say I have?  Is it an '84 or an '85?  Or doesn't it matter as both those years are the same?

Are '85 and older called the early models, and '86 and newer called the later models?  I'm looking at the wiring diagrams and not 100% sure which one I should be looking at.  This site:

http://hrsbstaff.ednet.ns.ca/bvogel/K100/download/electrical/diagrams/early%20K100%20diagrams/interactive_diagrams.htm

says These schematics are for the early K100 2V. For 1985 and up, click here  Am I looking at the correct wiring diagram, being an early K100 2V?

Cheers,
Elliot

On the side of the engine, under the oil filler cap and down on the sump there is a smooth vertical panel with a series of numbers on them.

Have a look at those and they will give you engine production date in the format week/year eg 3284 will be week 32 of 1984..... that will help.

The 4 allen screws in the outer rim of fuel cap if removed allow the whole fuel cap assembly to come off and unless you are a beefy Aussie you will be able to get your hand inside the tank. When you have the tank cap assembly off you will see 3 cross head screws you can undo and clean out the inside of the lock mechanism. These can go wrong resulting in a non opening fuel tank.

Here enters Sidecar Paul's little mod where you drill a hole in the outside of the cap in a carefully defined position and it will allow you to use a screwdriver to open it in an emergency. A grommet or tape over will cover it against rain. Saves buggering the thing up if it all goes wrong when you are out somewhere.

I see the stand assembly came off nicely for you!! In the same pic no 5 the bracket on the exhaust has a rubber bush/stop for the kick stand...or should have.

Your wiring as far as I know is early models as you have the 'old' clocks and 'old' tank arrangement BUT there are funny things in the 84/85 changeover. New tank has the wiring plug on the rear right side and has a single 5 litre warning light on the clocks. Tanks and clocks are NOT interchangeable so be careful there.

Yours will be an interesting project and maybe good to set a separate thread and have everything you need in it. Guys here are very helpful and when you come up with something you are likely to get a link to a post or thread that answers your problem.

Thanks a lot Olaf.  You're right - I'm turning my welcome thread into a "help" thread.  I'll start up a new thread in the right place.

I found the manufacture stamp as seen in the pic.  Looks like the 3rd week of 1985, which matches the compliance plate stating 1/1985.

Great tip on the lock mechanism - the mechanic who my mate bought the bike from had to carefully prise it open and it doesn't look like he damaged it, but it's still gunked up.

Thanks again for the help and advice so far. Can't wait to start getting into it.

Hi nods, fuel cap rebuild kits are available from Munich Motorcycles in Perth Western Australia, worth having a look at on their site if you are going to dismantle the cap to clean it up.

Chris Harris has a video on the web somewhere showing how to dismantle the cap.

Cheers

Cobbitty - just up the road.  

Both my registered K100s were built on 3 June 1985 and have the later tank mount and fuel warning arrangements, so obviously the change happened between Jan and June '85.

Re Harleys, of course we will give them a hard time, but my experience has been a good bloke will be forgiven bad marque taste and welcomed anyway. Right, Waz?  

Looking forward to catching up sometime. I join the Hunter Krew when I can, so maybe with them sometime.

Bill

This is the thread for the fuel cap. It's Sidecar Pauls thread. I had to use it and it works a treat!!

https://www.k100-forum.com/t9469-open-a-petrol-tank-cap-which-has-a-broken-lock

Olaf

I have a centre & side stand of an 88 RT you can have for the price of postage (inverell-Sydney). Its has some repairs but is quite useable even if only short term until a K1100 one comes up.

Gaz wrote:Hi nods, fuel cap rebuild kits are available from Munich Motorcycles in Perth Western Australia, worth having a look at on their site if you are going to dismantle the cap to clean it up.

Chris Harris has a video on the web somewhere showing how to dismantle the cap.

Cheers

Beauty, thanks mate.  I watched that Chris Harris video on the train home one night this week.  Love his videos!

indian036 wrote:Cobbitty - just up the road.  

Both my registered K100s were built on 3 June 1985 and have the later tank mount and fuel warning arrangements, so obviously the change happened between Jan and June '85.

Re Harleys, of course we will give them a hard time, but my experience has been a good bloke will be forgiven bad marque taste and welcomed anyway. Right, Waz?  

Looking forward to catching up sometime. I join the Hunter Krew when I can, so maybe with them sometime.

Bill

Look forward to meeting you too Bill.  Gaz told me about the Karuah Rally in February, so maybe then?

Elliot

Rockman wrote:I have a centre & side stand of an 88 RT you can have for the price of postage (inverell-Sydney). Its has some repairs but is quite useable even if only short term until a K1100 one comes up.

Ah man I stayed up till 2am this morning being addicted to all the K-bike knowledge and not knowing when to stop, when at some point in my semi conscious haze I called England and ordered the K1100 stand assembly from Motorworks for a lot more than postage from Inverell.

I didn't even think to ask this forum if there were any lying around.  Lesson learned!

Thanks a lot for the kind offer Rockman, much appreciated!

nods wrote:

Rockman wrote:I have a centre & side stand of an 88 RT you can have for the price of postage (inverell-Sydney). Its has some repairs but is quite useable even if only short term until a K1100 one comes up.

Ah man I stayed up till 2am this morning being addicted to all the K-bike knowledge and not knowing when to stop, when at some point in my semi conscious haze I called England and ordered the K1100 stand assembly from Motorworks for a lot more than postage from Inverell.

I didn't even think to ask this forum if there were any lying around.  Lesson learned!

Thanks a lot for the kind offer Rockman, much appreciated!

Not a problem. Its best to ask here first before spending money. You'd be surprised what people have in the back of their sheds.

Welcome Nods , from another in the Hunter. 
Good decision on the stand , it will prove its worth as you progress into the work . Especially to balance the engine , and when removing the wheels , which can be done both at once . Not something done with a Harley or cruiser. 
cheers and good luck , happy reno's .

GroverK wrote:Welcome Nods , from another in the Hunter. 
Good decision on the stand , it will prove its worth as you progress into the work . Especially to balance the engine , and when removing the wheels , which can be done both at once . Not something done with a Harley or cruiser. 
cheers and good luck , happy reno's .

Thanks for the welcome GroverK. I look forward to riding with you one day.

Cheers,
Elliot

keep an eye on the Aussie rides calendar , I'm sure there will be a ride to join up with a few of the Krew .

Re Harleys, of course we will give them a hard time, but my experience has been a good bloke will be forgiven bad marque taste and welcomed anyway. Right, Waz?  

Right Bill.
It wasn't mine I borrowed it, and thanks to every one for going a little slower so I could almost keep up.

Nods you could take a Hardley but you will never live it down.

nods wrote:

Rockman wrote:I have a centre & side stand of an 88 RT you can have for the price of postage (inverell-Sydney). Its has some repairs but is quite useable even if only short term until a K1100 one comes up.

Ah man I stayed up till 2am this morning being addicted to all the K-bike knowledge and not knowing when to stop, when at some point in my semi conscious haze I called England and ordered the K1100 stand assembly from Motorworks for a lot more than postage from Inverell.

I didn't even think to ask this forum if there were any lying around.  Lesson learned!

Thanks a lot for the kind offer Rockman, much appreciated!

You will find lots around on the forum.

My own initial experience on the forum was 88 offering to swap me an ICU by post. but when I added the cost of a swap and swap back again I decided just to bite the bullet and get one from Motorworks as I was already 95% sure it was the source of the problem and turned out it was. But lots of parts swap around and often for little more than cost of postage. Sometimes get a part from someone locally and then source a replacement for them. Fuel pumps and loads of items like that can be found that way.

Dai wrote:Well, it seems that as no-one has actually mentioned what stand assembly you need, I claim the brownie points!!! You want one off a K1100;

Dai beat me to it!

Welcome along Nods, great intro - good luck with the project, will watch with interest 

GroverK wrote:keep an eye on the Aussie rides calendar , I'm sure there will be a ride to join up with a few of the Krew .

Good tip thanks. I'm trying to see if the Snowy ride next year can happen.