1 Gearbox fault Thu Jul 30, 2015 10:53 pm
rawdonball
Gold member
I'd like to probe the accumulated knowledge bank out there.
recently picked up a late model box (has the cast lugs for paralever design, not drilled) from a guy who said he had personally broken the bike for parts - i.e. gearbox was fine.
I put it in one of my 75 C bikes to test it out (stupid - I now realize, but I've been spoiled by the performance of the $220 box I bought from Rick G). Anyway, it went through all the gears beautifully on the first test ride but problem emerged when I started giving it a bit more 'stick'. Now I'm told this is typical of a bike that has been red lined in first before a change into second.
Question - why is it only 2nd that is prone to being damaged in this way?
Do BMW acknowledge this design flaw and have they/how have they, got around the problem in later designs (if indeed they have)?
How do equivalent Jap bikes avoid the same problem?
When I stripped the box down, I found wear on the thrust face of the appropriate selector fork (although the fork didn't appear to be bent or deformed). Problem obviously comes from loss of the wedge shape of the dogs that tend to hold the corresponding drive faces 'in mesh'. The resulting 'unmeshing' force that was wearing the selector fork was also translated into a dimple/deformation on the contact point between selector fork roller and selector barrel groove. The accumulative effect of wear points in the selector train was obviously sufficient to allow the dogs to temporarily unmesh under load and immediately remesh under load removal. A very disconcerting effect!
I think I begin to understand why a guru I consulted, insisted that when one encounters this problem, a fix requires that the selector drum, fork and both the rotating elements affected by worn dogs, need to be changed out.
recently picked up a late model box (has the cast lugs for paralever design, not drilled) from a guy who said he had personally broken the bike for parts - i.e. gearbox was fine.
I put it in one of my 75 C bikes to test it out (stupid - I now realize, but I've been spoiled by the performance of the $220 box I bought from Rick G). Anyway, it went through all the gears beautifully on the first test ride but problem emerged when I started giving it a bit more 'stick'. Now I'm told this is typical of a bike that has been red lined in first before a change into second.
Question - why is it only 2nd that is prone to being damaged in this way?
Do BMW acknowledge this design flaw and have they/how have they, got around the problem in later designs (if indeed they have)?
How do equivalent Jap bikes avoid the same problem?
When I stripped the box down, I found wear on the thrust face of the appropriate selector fork (although the fork didn't appear to be bent or deformed). Problem obviously comes from loss of the wedge shape of the dogs that tend to hold the corresponding drive faces 'in mesh'. The resulting 'unmeshing' force that was wearing the selector fork was also translated into a dimple/deformation on the contact point between selector fork roller and selector barrel groove. The accumulative effect of wear points in the selector train was obviously sufficient to allow the dogs to temporarily unmesh under load and immediately remesh under load removal. A very disconcerting effect!
I think I begin to understand why a guru I consulted, insisted that when one encounters this problem, a fix requires that the selector drum, fork and both the rotating elements affected by worn dogs, need to be changed out.
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'88 K100RT, '86 K75C, '05 Yamaha TTR250