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1Back to top Go down   Temperature sensing unit Kaput Empty Temperature sensing unit Kaput Sun Feb 19, 2012 3:14 pm

Rick G

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Has anyone got a circuit dia for the temperature sensing unit. Not just the pinout but a full circuit for the dirty little critter.
I have 2 of the things here and neither will see the earth from the sensor.


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2Back to top Go down   Temperature sensing unit Kaput Empty Re: Temperature sensing unit Kaput Sun Feb 19, 2012 3:38 pm

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isnt the earth ....um the earth ..ive got a feeling that youve lost a track or a low value resistor in there somewhere

wonder if inge has a circuit somewhere ...?


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Rick G

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Lets use chat mate see ya there


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4Back to top Go down   Temperature sensing unit Kaput Empty Re: Temperature sensing unit Kaput Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:01 pm

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ok done


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'86 k100 rs.. #######..  "Fred " (f(rame) red ) ( Fredrick leichtundschnell ) - -
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Temperature sensing unit Kaput Temo_s10



symptoms are ... fan wont run at boiling point .....(temp sensor) fan relay turns on when input is grounded

kfreak mentioned that he was getting about 190 ohms in boiling water ....this suggests to me that he was measuring the 2 terminals as one sensor ....which in fact would double the normal reading

(given that he also lives at altitude the water would boil at a slighty lower or higher boiling point i figure lower ,,, that might equate to 50 - 75 odd ohms at sea level boiling point ?)

the trick is ...that you measure between 1 leg and the body on each sensor ...most importantly make sure the body of the sensor is actually earth when fitted on the bike

in fact im going to modify mine and tap a thread in the nut housing of about 3 mm and fitt up a additional earth cable that can be removed ...or a good sized brass washer with a tab that will mate up with the threaded section ...and a tab i can solder to or run a bolt through ...........and run it to a known earth point ... (second option sounds the most reliable )

results next week sometime ...i hope

    

6Back to top Go down   Temperature sensing unit Kaput Empty Re: Temperature sensing unit Kaput Sun Feb 19, 2012 7:57 pm

Rick G

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charlie99 wrote:Temperature sensing unit Kaput Temo_s10



symptoms are ... fan wont run at boiling point .....(temp sensor) fan relay turns on when input is grounded The fan won't run at around 113deg and it should cut in at 103deg and at that temp the resistance of the fan sensor is 190 ohms

kfreak mentioned that he was getting about 190 ohms in boiling water ....this suggests to me that he was measuring the 2 terminals as one sensor ....which in fact would double the normal reading I was measuring from the fan terminal to earth not across the two terminals.

(given that he also lives at altitude the water would boil at a slighty lower or higher boiling point i figure lower ,,, that might equate to 50 - 75 odd ohms at sea level boiling point ?) I live at an altitude of 900metres so that makes the boiling point 99.67deg

the trick is ...that you measure between 1 leg and the body on each sensor ...most importantly make sure the body of the sensor is actually earth when fitted on the bike thats right

in fact im going to modify mine and tap a thread in the nut housing of about 3 mm and fitt up a additional earth cable that can be removed ...or a good sized brass washer with a tab that will mate up with the threaded section ...and a tab i can solder to or run a bolt through ...........and run it to a known earth point ... (second option sounds the most reliable )

results next week sometime ...i hope

I will pull the sensor out tomorrow and test it in boiling water along with a spare I also have and will see if there is a variation.


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7Back to top Go down   Temperature sensing unit Kaput Empty Re: Temperature sensing unit Kaput Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:39 pm

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kfreak mentioned that he was getting about 190 ohms in boiling water ....this suggests to me that he was measuring the 2 terminals as one sensor ....which in fact would double the normal reading I was measuring from the fan terminal to earth not across the two terminals.


didnt mean to say that you were specifically measuring across the 2 terminals ...was just commenting that the figuers looked like that ...if there was no proper earth reference then infact that is exactly what i would expect to see ...something that looks like measuring 2 sensors ...plus losses through other paths

good luck mate ,,,it will come together with some more investigation im sure

    

8Back to top Go down   Temperature sensing unit Kaput Empty Re: Temperature sensing unit Kaput Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:37 pm

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The fan should start at 175 ohm +/- 10% (103oC).
The warning light should show up at 143 ohm +/- 10% (111oC).

So at 190 ohm it seems like that you`re not only in the neighbourhood, you
are at the fence......ready to jump.

Inge K.

    

9Back to top Go down   Temperature sensing unit Kaput Empty Re: Temperature sensing unit Kaput Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:57 pm

Rick G

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Inge K. wrote:The fan should start at 175 ohm +/- 10% (103oC).
The warning light should show up at 143 ohm +/- 10% (111oC).

So at 190 ohm it seems like that you`re not only in the neighbourhood, you
are at the fence......ready to jump.

Inge K.
Thanks Inge
It looks like the resistance is just a bit high so a cleaning of the earths is first up seems to be the thing.
I originally thought it may have been the unit because I could get the fan to run with direct battery but not by earthing the sensor wire but then I discovered that the engine needs to be running with the FI relay operated.


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"Man sacrifices his health in order to make money.
Then he sacrifices money to recuperate his health.
And then he is so anxious about the future that he does not enjoy the present; the result being that he does not live in the present or the future; he lives as if he is never going to die, and then dies having never really lived."   Dalai Lama


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10Back to top Go down   Temperature sensing unit Kaput Empty Re: Temperature sensing unit Kaput Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:18 am

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thanks inge ... dayum i must have been thinking the water temp sensor at the water pump which i was working on recently ,,,sorry for the bum steer kf ...i was certain i got it right ,,, smaks head


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cheezy grin whilst riding, kinda bloke ....oh the joy !!!! ...... ( brick aviator )

'86 K100 RT..#0090401 ..."Gerty" ( Gertrude Von Clickandshift ) --------O%O
'86 k100 rs.. #######..  "Fred " (f(rame) red ) ( Fredrick leichtundschnell ) - -
bits and pieces from many kind friends across the k100 world ...with many thanks ..
1987 k100rs ########   "Red"  - (red sports rs TWB style )
1989 K100rt #009637   "Black Betty"  (naked rt ala Nigel , now sporting an rs main fairing )
    

11Back to top Go down   Temperature sensing unit Kaput Empty Re: Temperature sensing unit Kaput Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:26 am

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Excellent info guys. Cool

    

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