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guillevalencia

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Greetings to all vintage motorcycle enthusiasts.

I want to offer you my experience in the repair of a breakdown, 
that with the invaluable help of the document ''bike won't start" I was able to solve.

Summary:
Problem

 I buy k75 running I put documents up to date, but it had 
 been 5 years without maintenance.

 I start buying filters, sensors etc... and so on... 
 and after several weeks of cleaning and disassembly, 
 when trying to start the bike... no way... overboosted, it chokes constantly.

Failed attempts of repair:
 Revision of fuel-pump and change fuel filter.
 Change of rubber ducts, of all the feeding circuit.
 Change of the fuel pressure regulator.
 Disassembly and revision of the air flow sensor./That was funny...
 Revision of the operation of injectors.
 Change of the 3 spark plugs.

 After many hours of searching in forums... 
 I decide to take it to a profesional BMW mechanic in Valencia-Spain (BoxerVal). 
 
 That guy 3 weeks after, tells me that I have to change the injectors 
 for original ones, (600€ only in parts...)

 It was clear to me that the bike injects as it should / intermittently...
 In fact when I was doing my tests, I almost set the bike on fire
 taking out the injectors to see if they worked.
 Besides talking some owners, they pointed never changed that...   

 At that moment, once paid 200€ for nothing !!! to that mechanic....
 I decide to bring home again the bike...

Final solution:
 I was considering to change the control unit .... but the bike run when I bought it.
 And suddenly I get my hands on the forum document:

https://www.kforum-tech.com/forum-area/__Files/electrical/EFI/bike-wont-start-EN.htm

 I found after many hours with the tester ... the problem:

 Result: The water temperature sensor that I bought new, had a fault.

 I detect it with the T vs Ohm >> Graphic of Cooling water temp Sensor:
   For 25ºC corresponds >> 2.5K Ohm 
   My New sensor reading: 8K Ohms >> corresponds to -10ºC...
   -10ºC >>> needs a lot of gas supply...

  The bike thinks it is at -10ºC when lucky for me, in Valencia 
  we were at 30ºC, it injects so much fuel that it chokes permanently.

  Once replaced the old 20 years old sensor ... runs on 1 try... Yeahhh


Thanks Laitch >>>

After 1000 hours...
Here details of the doc and the key of the issue...


Bike choked and won't start.  1-foru12
Bike choked and won't start.  2-grap10

Bike choked and won't start.  3-foun10
Regards.



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Dai

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Bike choked and won't start.  112350


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Two Wheels Better

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Congratulations on deciphering the no-start issue, a good job, with informative details. I have moved your thread from general troubleshooting to the more specific engine troubleshooting.

You'll be able to post pictures after, I think, five posts. It's more complex than it should be, but not difficult once the procedure is learnt and followed.

The easiest way to understand it is to type "posting pictures" into the search engine on the main forum page. Several results will appear. Take your pick. You can use an external "host" or simply download your own from your files.


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bad boy

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congrats, Quille.
Well done Very Happy


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92KK 84WW Olaf

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Where did you buy the water temperature sensor?

Its possible you got one for a 16v engine, they look the same but are different.


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Skidmark

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92KK 84WW Olaf wrote:Where did you buy the water temperature sensor?

Its possible you got one for a 16v engine, they look the same but are different.
I can't find one listed for the 8v anywhere.

    

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Two Wheels Better

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Skidmark wrote:
92KK 84WW Olaf wrote:Where did you buy the water temperature sensor?

Its possible you got one for a 16v engine, they look the same but are different.
I can't find one listed for the 8v anywhere.
The water temperature sensor for 2V engine (K75/K100) fuel injection readings is shown in ETK under cooling with the radiator. Item 15. 

61 31 1 459 197.


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1977 R75/7-100, '93 K11/K12 Big Block, '93 K1100RS, '95 R100 Mystic, '96 K1100RS, 2 x '98 K1200RS, '06 K1200R & '09 K1300GT
    

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Bosch part number for K75/K100 temp sensor is 0280130069.


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guillevalencia

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The new sensor, I bought it at AUTODOC.
https://www.autodoc.es/stark/15796761

The product information sais that it was compatible, 
but that was the key to my problem.

With other parts, filters, fans for other repairs....
sometimes I found few problems...
But after this experience I will double check every item.

Once the old one was installed, the problem disappeared.


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92KK 84WW Olaf

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I haven't been in here for a few days. 

I got some from www.tills.de and have one or two in my shed. I have had the same issue which is what prompted me to ask about the sensor when I saw you had replaced it.


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1992 K100LT 0193214 Bertha Blue 101,000 miles
1984 K100RT 0022575 Brutus Baja Red 578 bought 36,000 now 89,150 miles
1997 K1100LT 0188024 Wotan Mystic Red 689 58,645 now 106,950 miles Deceased.
1983 K100RS 0011157 Fricka 606 Alaska Blue 29,495 miles Damn K Pox Its a Bat outta Hell Now 58,200 miles. 
1996 K1100LT 0233004 Lohengrin Mystic Red 38,000 miles currently 51,800 miles.
1983 K100RS 0004449 Odette R100 colours 58,000 miles. Sprint fairing now 63,390 miles

Past:
1968 Yamaha 80 YG1
1971 Yamaha 125 YAS-1
1968 Honda 125 SS
1970 Honda CD 175
1973 Honda CB500-4
Honda CX 500
    

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