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1Back to top Go down   Injectors Empty Injectors Thu Jul 25, 2024 11:41 am

fishboy316

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Hello, Been hiding out. Have any of you tried the Amazon/Ebay fuel injectors? If so what kind of results did you have?
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2Back to top Go down   Injectors Empty Re: Injectors Thu Jul 25, 2024 12:12 pm

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Since they could come from any number of different suppliers when sourced from fleaBay or Amazonium, 'results may vary.' 

I use Dr Injector - with locations around the US. You send them off, or visit a location, and they arrive back to you 'as new' with new o-rings and a chart showing their vitals before and after. $128 was what I paid for four a few weeks ago. They even do GDI injectors (high pressure, direct injection) for a bit more.

The one in Federal Way, Washington is my go-to.


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1977 R75/7-100, '93 K11/K12 Big Block, '93 K1100RS, '95 R100 Mystic, '96 K1100RS, 2 x '98 K1200RS, '06 K1200R & '09 K1300GT
    

3Back to top Go down   Injectors Empty Re: Injectors Fri Jul 26, 2024 4:06 am

JiiPee63

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Hi there,

I bought these injectors (see picture) 4 years ago from eBay. The idea was to have the original injectors restored (new paint, seals, filter etc...) and in the meantime drive with these cheap ones. To be honest, these have worked really well for about 20,000km already. So well, in fact, that I haven't even thought about the originals anymore. JHparts shop at eBay sold these and advertised them as being suitable for the BMW K100. 

I just did a half Finland tour with my K100RS (2500km) and fuel consumption was about 4.2 - 4.7 litres per 100km depending on the day trip (highway 100-120km/h, country road 80km/h or/and city roads 40-60km/h). Normal consumption in a city seems to be around 4.7 - 4.9 or even higher. These readings may vary slightly due to how full the tank was refuelled, so not scientifically accurate readings.
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4Back to top Go down   Injectors Empty Re: Injectors Fri Jul 26, 2024 7:10 am

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I've bought also such injectors in blue plastic.
Some were supposed to be remanufactured Bosch injectors, with a plastic body frame instead of the steel OEM body. You say so...
Anyway; two K100 of my cheptel are running OK with them, yet being a bit too rich. I tried to run similar on another and it never worked well...


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5Back to top Go down   Injectors Empty Re: Injectors Fri Jul 26, 2024 9:26 am

fishboy316

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Thanks for the replies. I think I will give them a go.(Roll the dice) I have a couple that are not acting correctly.

Bill

    

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I've used Mr. Injector more times than Bruce Willis has been in a B movie and have always had good results.

Link: https://www.mrinjector.us/


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Current stable:
86 Custom K100 (standard fairing, K75 Belly pan, Ceramic chromed engine covers, paralever)
K75 Frankenbrick (Paralever, K11 front end, hybrid ABS, K1100RS fairing, radial tires)
86 K75C Turbo w/ paralever
94 K1100RS
93 K1100LT
91 K1
93 K75S (K11 front end)
91 K75S (K1 front end)
14 Yamaha WR250R
98 Taxi Cab K1200RS
14 K1600GT
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7Back to top Go down   Injectors Empty Re: Injectors Fri Jul 26, 2024 6:03 pm

MartinW

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BMW designed the  K100/K75 engines to run on single hole injectors. The single hole injectors are designed to spray onto the head of the inlet valve to cool it and to break up the spray. There is no benefit to be gained from fitting 4 hole injectors. Any benefits could also be achieved by fitting clean single hole injectors. I have yet to find a Dyno report showing the benefits of 4 hole injectors compared to single hole injectors. 4 hole injectors can also be more prone to fouling due to the smaller orifice sizes.
Regards Martin.
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8Back to top Go down   Injectors Empty Re: Injectors Fri Jul 26, 2024 6:35 pm

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It's been my understanding that 'upgrading' to four holers might get you better atomising of the fuel droplets, allowing cleaner combustion. 

I can't imagine the raindrop from a single holer stands much of a chance - as compared to being broken up a bit beforehand - whilst being sucked into that swirling, pumping mass of metal and air, only to be unceremoniously blasted to smithereens and mashed into the cylinder head and pumping piston crown, before getting booted out the egress hole into a sooty tailpipe, then sent backwards down the road like a circus clown fired from a cannon.


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"Politics is the entertainment division of the military industrial complex."
- Frank Zappa
1977 R75/7-100, '93 K11/K12 Big Block, '93 K1100RS, '95 R100 Mystic, '96 K1100RS, 2 x '98 K1200RS, '06 K1200R & '09 K1300GT
    

9Back to top Go down   Injectors Empty Re: Injectors Fri Jul 26, 2024 6:56 pm

duck

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Gasoline is not injected directly into the cylinder. It's injected into the cylinder head and atomizes when it hits hot metal before the valve opens.

For some reason the guys on Jeep forums are infatuated with the four hole injectors - like oil threads.

Put "four hole injectors dyno" into Google. Like Martin, I've never been able to find a single dyno comparison (i.e. empirical objective data) despite this being a long hashed over topic.

I've tried them in both 2V and 4V K bikes. No difference on the butt dyno or mileage.

Hint: But if you put magnets on the fuel rail to align the fuel molecules then you will get better combustion. bounce


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Current stable:
86 Custom K100 (standard fairing, K75 Belly pan, Ceramic chromed engine covers, paralever)
K75 Frankenbrick (Paralever, K11 front end, hybrid ABS, K1100RS fairing, radial tires)
86 K75C Turbo w/ paralever
94 K1100RS
93 K1100LT
91 K1
93 K75S (K11 front end)
91 K75S (K1 front end)
14 Yamaha WR250R
98 Taxi Cab K1200RS
14 K1600GT
http://www.ClassicKBikes.com
    

10Back to top Go down   Injectors Empty Re: Injectors Fri Jul 26, 2024 7:13 pm

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There is no tongue-in-cheek emoji. That might look like a face choking on its lunch. Wink


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- Frank Zappa
1977 R75/7-100, '93 K11/K12 Big Block, '93 K1100RS, '95 R100 Mystic, '96 K1100RS, 2 x '98 K1200RS, '06 K1200R & '09 K1300GT
    

11Back to top Go down   Injectors Empty Re: Injectors Fri Jul 26, 2024 7:25 pm

MartinW

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I too was lured by the myth of 4 hole injectors and nearly went over to the dark side. I was saved by my mates son who was a injector specialist. He explained that the spray was designed to hit the back of the valve break up and cool the valve. I ended up building a rig to clean and test my injectors after been disappointed with a professional clean. Seat of pants Dyno confirmed improvement. Most reports of improved performance due to fitting 4 hole injectors could have been achieved by fitting clean single hole injectors. If I was selling 4 hole injectors as an improvement I would be doing a Dyno comparison to show the benefit.
Regards Martin.


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12Back to top Go down   Injectors Empty Re: Injectors Sat Jul 27, 2024 8:55 pm

92KK 84WW Olaf

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I have been playing around with K bikes since 2010, buying more and more and not selling any of them and had lots of fun with injectors too.

So I have run 2v engines with both original and replacement injectors, single hole and 4 hole.

Any time I put 4 hole injectors in my 2V Ks, I get an increase in fuel consumption. When I put the single hole injectors back, I get a decrease.

My reckoning is 5-10% and have extended periods to see the results. However I figure the 4 hole are more responsive.


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1992 K100LT 0193214 Bertha Blue 101,000 miles
1984 K100RT 0022575 Brutus Baja Red 578 bought 36,000 now 89,150 miles
1997 K1100LT 0188024 Wotan Mystic Red 689 58,645 now 106,950 miles Deceased.
1983 K100RS 0011157 Fricka 606 Alaska Blue 29,495 miles Damn K Pox Its a Bat outta Hell Now 58,200 miles. 
1996 K1100LT 0233004 Lohengrin Mystic Red 38,000 miles currently 51,800 miles.
1983 K100RS 0004449 Odette R100 colours 58,000 miles. Sprint fairing now 63,390 miles

Past:
1968 Yamaha 80 YG1
1971 Yamaha 125 YAS-1
1968 Honda 125 SS
1970 Honda CD 175
1973 Honda CB500-4
Honda CX 500
    

13Back to top Go down   Injectors Empty Re: Injectors Sat Jul 27, 2024 10:51 pm

MartinW

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You'd probably get similar results from new single hole injectors without the fuel usage increase. A dyno comparison would confirm your findings.
Regards Martin.


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14Back to top Go down   Injectors Empty Re: Injectors Mon Jul 29, 2024 10:19 pm

92KK 84WW Olaf

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MartinW wrote:You'd probably get similar results from new single hole injectors without the fuel usage increase. A dyno comparison would confirm your findings.
Regards Martin.

I did think that, having found a big improvement when I first put in the brand new 4 hole injectors. However after about 3,000 miles I swapped them back out for a refurbed set of single hole injectors. Fuel economy returned but it came with a slight loss of responsiveness.

I am currently looking at my Sprint K100 [early 1984] having just done the oil pump and a brand new old stock heat shield makes the injector rail look a bit crappy so its next.


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1992 K100LT 0193214 Bertha Blue 101,000 miles
1984 K100RT 0022575 Brutus Baja Red 578 bought 36,000 now 89,150 miles
1997 K1100LT 0188024 Wotan Mystic Red 689 58,645 now 106,950 miles Deceased.
1983 K100RS 0011157 Fricka 606 Alaska Blue 29,495 miles Damn K Pox Its a Bat outta Hell Now 58,200 miles. 
1996 K1100LT 0233004 Lohengrin Mystic Red 38,000 miles currently 51,800 miles.
1983 K100RS 0004449 Odette R100 colours 58,000 miles. Sprint fairing now 63,390 miles

Past:
1968 Yamaha 80 YG1
1971 Yamaha 125 YAS-1
1968 Honda 125 SS
1970 Honda CD 175
1973 Honda CB500-4
Honda CX 500
    

15Back to top Go down   Injectors Empty Re: Injectors Tue Jul 30, 2024 9:05 am

fishboy316

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Thanks for all the input! I have ordered a ordered and received a set of single hole injectors. Will install and see how they work. Am going to send the originals out to be rebuilt. Will report on these injectors.

Thanks again!
Bill

    

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