1 What the heck is going on? Sat Jul 16, 2022 3:08 pm
Bikesmith
Silver member
I'm having an issue that's driving me crazy trying to diagnose and decided it's time to bring in the big guns: You guys.
My 1985 K100RS has been faultlessly reliable for the last 15,000 miles. Solid as a rock. I just finished giving it its every-other-year tune-up: Brake flush, fork oil, engine oil, transmission/final drive oil, air filter, spark plugs, battery, final drive splines, new coolant. After doing all that I took the bike out for a test ride/ warm up. As expected, it ran flawlessly. Did about 20 miles. Once the bike was hot, I came home to check my throttle body sync. It was perfect, so I didn't do any adjustment.
Then I rode about a mile to the nearest gas station, filled up, and set off for a good ride. 20 seconds later the engine died with no warning. One second from perfect to dead. Dash lights still on. I coasted into a parking lot to assess. My first thought was that when I moved the tank to change the coolant (just scootched enough to reveal the coolant filler, not removed) I may have dislodged power into the tank. So I checked that connection. It seemed fine, but I gave it a good wiggle. Tried starting the bike and it jumped right to life. Great! I turned it off, put my gear back on and started it again. It started perfectly, ran for about one second then died. Gear back off. Tried to start again. Perfect start, ran for one second, died. But I could hear the fuel pump running. At that point my guess was that there was something in that tank of gas I bought that clogged the filter. So I pushed the bike home (not fun in 97 degree heat)
Back home I pulled the filter. I tried connecting the fuel pump outlet directly to where the filter usually connects. The bike started right up and ran fine. I took that as confirmation of clogged filter. So I bought and installed a filter. The bike started, ran for one second, and died. Now my thought was bad fuel pump. I could hear it running, but I wondered if the pump part had come unfixed from the motor shaft. Maybe? Maybe the motor still could impart a little bit of motion to the pump, but not enough to push gas through the filter? So I ordered a new fuel pump. With the new pump installed I tried to start the bike. Perfect start, one second, dead. Sooooo discouraging.
My next though was fuel pressure regulator. Maybe it had failed and was not holding any pressure in the injector rail. So I ordered a new regulator. While waiting for that I had the thought that perhaps I'd just gotten a tank of bad gas. So I drained the tank and replaced it with fresh gas (from a different station). No difference. When the new regulator showed up it didn't make any difference at all either.
I next thought that maybe I had a clog in that internal pipe in the fuel tank that goes from the filter to the output. I confirmed that my old fuel pump was working and tried using that in an external jar of gas, connected with new hose directly to the injector rail. No difference. Bike starts perfectly, runs for one second, then dies. Oh, I forgot to mention: With the 'choke' on it's worse. Choke on it runs for only half a second. With the choke off it'll run for about a second, sometimes 2-3 seconds.
Having confirmed to myself that the problem is not within the gas tank (right?), I reconnected the new fuel pump in the tank.
Even though I strongly feel this is a fuel issue, I decided to check the spark plugs (all brand new and gap-checked). I pulled a couple and found them completely dry. I rechecked torque on all of them and then started checking that I had good spark. I found good, strong spark on number 1, same on 2. While checking spark on number 3 I found two things: That plug has good spark.... and the bike was running. Down a cylinder, of course, but running. What?!?
So I reconnected spark plug 3 and the bike started right up and ran perfectly. Like absolutely perfect. Like nothing had ever been wrong. I put all the fairings back on, starting the bike every couple minutes to make sure I hadn't been dreaming. Perfect every time. That was yesterday. I didn't have time to ride, but I kept sneaking out into the garage to start the bike and marvel at the perfect running.
Today I had time for a test ride. So I fired it up. The bike started perfectly and settled into a perfect idle. I let it warm up for a couple minutes while watching it suspiciously and putting on gear. It ran perfectly. Revved up with no trouble. I hopped on and took off for a ride. It ran beautifully for about 600 feet and then died instantly.
So that's where I am. I have nothing now. I thought of replacing injectors, but I just don't see how injectors could be the issue. Honestly, I don't know what else to try right now.
Any thoughts?
Thanks!
-Jon
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Jon
Mechanically competent, electrically perplexed
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1985 BMW K100RS
1959 BMW R60
1942 Chevrolet 3/4-ton Special
1940 Royal Enfield WD/CO
1975 Porsche 911S