Saw this on youtube and said  man you ought to stick to real motorcycles.
Never saw so many one liners in the space of a couple of minutes.
But for our riders' amusement:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxr1iXEf9lY

i have rode the KTM and they are fast , but 35 miles max range in sports mode useless , until the battery tec comes on or the military release what they are using (space) its a none starter for me . if you get the chance try one they do get hot but the power delivery is a experience . they are also expensive for a throw away toy which you will have to pay to dispose of . hydrogen is the way to go i think if aviation gets it to work , at the moment the problem being volume as hydrogen takes up more space (was news to me) this is whats holding aviation back from using it . JCB have altered there existing motor to run on it (unlike honda) and it works perfect . also in the UK ALL hydrogen needs to be produced using green energy , this needs to stop or demand will never be meet 

I have my eye on one of these as run about town pony.

Can I hit you up for a grand?  Sounds like you got it.

Bricklayer wrote:I have my eye on one of these as run about town pony.

https://landmoto.io/

Are we talking about the pretty face with two nose rings or something else?

Bricklayer wrote:I have my eye on one of these as run about town pony.

https://landmoto.io/

Get yer motor hummin,'
Head out on the highway,
Lookin' for investors,
In whatever comes our way.
Born to be mi-i-i-i-ld!

Until my recent retirement (out to pasture, thank you very much) the shop where I worked sold, first, US-made Zero electrics, then more recently, the Italian-made Energica (En-Air-Hee-Ca). Zero are well along in model proliferation, charge rate, power, are solidly built, comfortable, but not inexpensive, and they do still have a fair number of recalls per model. The "biggest" model, the DSR/X, sort of a GS-y thing, goes between 100 miles and 150 miles, traffic/speed dependent, with the best battery life coming from mixed use riding of mostly urban and some highway. Sitting on 75mph in cruise for one hour and a bit will deplete the (17.2kWh) battery quick smart. The Level 2 cable we had set up (using 240V) will recharge to 80% capacity in 45 minutes, a leisurely lunch if you're travelling, but that's a lot of food to consume whilst waiting during those extra lunch breaks you'll inevitably have to take if covering distance. The "normal" cable (using 110V) gives an overnight charge, so too slow. One of the problems is one that will always feel a certain amount of range anxiety. There's just not enough room to place an even larger battery.

Did I mention that despite being heavier relative to an ICE motorbike they're stable and fast? Yes, very, silently, it's eerie, but gobs of fun.

Energica have even larger batteries, bigger motors, and are wickedly fast, and fun to ride. They give a bit more distance, but, again, you're gunna wanna be near a power plant regularly. If you're a commuter or a one day a week canyon warrior, and not far from home, they're worth it for the yayas offered.

For the US$12,000 to $25,000+ you will spend they're just not yet ready for prime time as compared to ICE bikes.

That Land thing just looks cheap and does not look like it comes from an automotive engineering background which I would require to have any confidence in it.  A bicycle on steroids? 

Would I buy one?  Sorry, I'm not qualified to own one.

Hmmm, Fox shock and Magura brakes, must be junk...

Bricklayer wrote:Hmmm, Fox shock and Magura brakes, must be junk...

A pig wearing lipstick is still a pig.   The price of those townee rides is pure pork to me.

Two Wheels Better wrote:
For the US$12,000 to $25,000+ you will spend they're just not yet ready for prime time as compared to ICE bikes.

Congrats on making it out of the rat race alive and almost sane. But my most expensive bike so far is USD $2,000. Well I did buy a brand new BMW R100RT ONE TIME!. And since then only pre-owned. So I agree with your assessment that at USD $12K-$25K. they aren't ready for prime time.

More than an ordinary electric bike https://www.vergemotorcycles.com/ nice prices

JiiPee63 wrote:More than an ordinary electric bike https://www.vergemotorcycles.com/ nice prices

USD $35,000 to $45,000??

In Olive Green? Definitely the bike for military. Maybe an auxiliary  machine gun mount to round it out?

I have morning coffee with a large group of retired motorheads.  We have hot rodders, classic collectors, sports car guys, almost every body is a biker; we ride Harleys, BMWs, Spyders, Enfields, Triumphs, and KTMs. 

Lately several have gotten electric bicycles.  The bikes have pedals so they can pedal around or run on the electric motor, a couple bikes have the ability to only run the motor under heavy load as an automatic assist on hills.  Range is pretty good for around town, 30+ miles.

The best part is that they charge in an hour or two and cost about $2500. 

I have another friend I work with who did a conversion on one of those folding bikes that boaters carry on their boats.  He swapped the front wheel and added the battery and the throttle.  Nice neat package, and I think he said it cost him $800.  He can do 10 miles of errands with it.

Here's my Scott leaning against the neighborhood bakery outlet store run by one of my neighbors' daughters. As is evident, the Scott can carry more than the District model electric motorcycle discussed in a previous post. The District seems to limit the rider to putting bagels in pants pockets.


The Scott must be pedaled to activate the electric motor pedal-assist—no throttle. Pedal-assist drops out at 20mph; after that its only muscle power fueled by whichever baked goods were available. It's a townee bike and doesn't have an effective climbing gear ratio but I use it anyway when I want make a fast trip downhill on the gravel to the town seven miles away. On pedal-assist, it can get 32 miles mixed riding of hill and flatland but I learned the meaning of energy conservation using it.  I use its two highest assist levels only on the steepest grades with loads in the panniers; however, they make a hell of a difference in ease. The rest of the time I ride with no assist or alternating with the two lower electric pedal-assist levels. It's put on the charger after every trip. A charge from one bar battery reserve level to five bars (full) takes three hours; from three bars to five takes 2 hours. It works well and is fun to ride in mud season despite its tires only being 34C width, but they are lugged and studded. I'm the only one around smiling during that season.

This bike gives a great workout at a pedal cadence ≥65 rpm in the lower settings and moves along at a brisk pace. It has no suspension so standing on the pedals at 35mph riding downhill through a springtime road pothole field provides the isometric interval. It's seven years old. It has cut in half the time of a roundtrip to town on my mountain bike. I bought it used a couple of years ago for $1800. It had 150 miles on the clock; now it has 2700 miles. When it needs a replacement battery, it will cost me $700 from online sources. The electric drive system is from Bosch.

looks good , by me the speed limit is 20mph as it is soon to be across the whole city (birmingham) so the small electric bikes and push bikes are starting to catch on , A&E is full of electric scooter accidents so the law needs looking at and is a bit of a grey area , registration ? insurance ? age and test ? helmets ? plenty of young lads getting killed 

one other thing the half wit goverment has just been told "where is the electric coming from to charge every ones electric car/bike  " idiots forgot that one .