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1Back to top Go down   Oil Filter Change Empty Oil Filter Change Mon Oct 08, 2018 6:11 am

DBRMN

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FI was doing an oil change and i wanted to change my oil filter while im here but reading my Haynes manual it says for later models (mines ‘91) i need a special tool to remove the filter, does anyone have any techniques or do i just need to buy the special tool?

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2Back to top Go down   Oil Filter Change Empty Re: Oil Filter Change Mon Oct 08, 2018 6:36 am

Laitch

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DBRMN wrote: need a special tool to remove the filter, does anyone have any techniques or do i just need to buy the special tool?
This is the project bike from 2017 and this is its first oil filter? Post a picture of the special tool, or its description.


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3Back to top Go down   Oil Filter Change Empty Re: Oil Filter Change Mon Oct 08, 2018 6:53 am

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DBRMN wrote:FI was doing an oil change and i wanted to change my oil filter while im here but reading my Haynes manual it says for later models (mines ‘91) i need a special tool to remove the filter, does anyone have any techniques or do i just need to buy the special tool?

Thanks
DBRMN

You need this filter cup.. i cant remember the size tho:
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4Back to top Go down   Oil Filter Change Empty Re: Oil Filter Change Mon Oct 08, 2018 7:00 am

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The filter wrench size depends on whether you've bought a non-genuine oil filter or have gone for one that's listed for K Bikes. ALL K75, K100, K1100 & K1200 Bricks use the same oil filter. It also fits ALL Oilheads 850, 1100 & 1150.
It has 14 'flutes' and measures...dammit, either 74 or 76mm. I am suffering from CRS at the mo'. Motobins, et al, sell them.



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5Back to top Go down   Oil Filter Change Empty Re: Oil Filter Change Mon Oct 08, 2018 7:13 am

Laitch

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TheGreatMorten wrote:You need this filter cup.. i cant remember the size tho:
As TWB indicates, there is nothing special about a cap-style oil filter wrench being the preferred tool to use for a classic K-bike oil filter change, regardless of year. 14 flutes by 76mm.

What I want to know is from DBRMN. What does his Haynes manual indicate is special?


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6Back to top Go down   Oil Filter Change Empty Re: Oil Filter Change Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:09 am

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Two Wheels Better wrote: ALL K75, K100, K1100 & K1200 Bricks use the same oil filter. It also fits ALL Oilheads 850, 1100 & 1150.
It also fits all Tonti-framed Moto Guzzis from 1969 - 2003, but I bet you didn't want to know that! Oil Filter Change 44271 Oil Filter Change 44271


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7Back to top Go down   Oil Filter Change Empty Re: Oil Filter Change Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:13 am

Born Again Eccentric

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Laitch wrote:
TheGreatMorten wrote:You need this filter cup.. i cant remember the size tho:
What I want to know is from DBRMN. What does his Haynes manual indicate is special?
Without wishing to put words in his mouth, I suspect that the "special" tool referred to in the manual is simple recognition that you can't get the oil filter out or in again easily without it, due to it being tucked up inside the oil pan - hence you need a special tool. It is not special (unique) to K bikes and widely available from the usual outlets (£8.70 from Motorworks for one version (top pic) and £9.30 from James Sherlock for another version - bottom pic).

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Last edited by Born Again Eccentric on Mon Oct 08, 2018 12:50 pm; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : added pics)


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"Heidi" K100LT 1991 (Grey) (VIN 0190172 Engine No. 104EB 2590 2213) - 5th owner. January 2014 (34,000 - 82,818 miles and counting....)
"Gretel" K100LT 1989 (Silver Grey) (VIN 0177324 Engine No. 104EA 2789 2211) - 4th+ owner. September 2015 (82,684 miles and counting....). Cat C Insurance write-off rebuild Feb 17
"Donor" K100LT 1990 (Red)  (VIN 0178091 Engine gone to Dai) - 6th & final owner (crash write-off now donor bike).   June 2012 (73,000 miles) to November 2013 (89,500 miles)
    

8Back to top Go down   Oil Filter Change Empty Re: Oil Filter Change Mon Oct 08, 2018 11:33 am

yamaguzzi

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I just bought a cheapo one from Harbor Freight and it worked just fine


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9Back to top Go down   Oil Filter Change Empty Re: Oil Filter Change Mon Oct 08, 2018 11:51 am

duck

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76mm - 14 flutes

Get a metal one if you can. Less prone to slipping than plastic.


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86 Custom K100 (standard fairing, K75 Belly pan, Ceramic chromed engine covers, paralever)
K75 Frankenbrick (Paralever, K11 front end, hybrid ABS, K1100RS fairing, radial tires)
86 K75C Turbo w/ paralever
94 K1100RS
93 K1100LT
91 K1
93 K75S (K11 front end)
91 K75S (K1 front end)
14 Yamaha WR250R
98 Taxi Cab K1200RS
14 K1600GT
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10Back to top Go down   Oil Filter Change Empty Re: Oil Filter Change Mon Oct 08, 2018 12:57 pm

Laitch

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Born Again Eccentric wrote:Without wishing to put words in his mouth, . . .
Tell whoever is forcing you to do that to stop right this minute. Smile What caught my interest was that he said it was for later models like his. I thought it might have been a mischievous change made by a bored copy editor bent on subversion.


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11Back to top Go down   Oil Filter Change Empty Re: Oil Filter Change Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:36 pm

Born Again Eccentric

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Laitch wrote:
Born Again Eccentric wrote:Without wishing to put words in his mouth, . . .
Tell whoever is forcing you to do that to stop right this minute. Smile What caught my interest was that he said it was for later models like his. I thought it might have been a mischievous change made by a bored copy editor bent on subversion.
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I think the editors at Haynes (just down the road from where I live) are kept busy enough keeping up with all the new tin boxes flooding onto the market without needing to worry about updating a manual that they produced for the K75/K100 way back when. Probably just sneak out a re-print now and again (mine is dated 1999) rather than a refreshed version.


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"Heidi" K100LT 1991 (Grey) (VIN 0190172 Engine No. 104EB 2590 2213) - 5th owner. January 2014 (34,000 - 82,818 miles and counting....)
"Gretel" K100LT 1989 (Silver Grey) (VIN 0177324 Engine No. 104EA 2789 2211) - 4th+ owner. September 2015 (82,684 miles and counting....). Cat C Insurance write-off rebuild Feb 17
"Donor" K100LT 1990 (Red)  (VIN 0178091 Engine gone to Dai) - 6th & final owner (crash write-off now donor bike).   June 2012 (73,000 miles) to November 2013 (89,500 miles)
    

12Back to top Go down   Oil Filter Change Empty Re: Oil Filter Change Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:45 pm

Laitch

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Born Again Eccentric wrote:
I think the editors at Haynes . . .
In other words, go get a cap-type oil filter wrench if you haven't got one already that fits the description repeated ad nauseam here, DBRMN, and change the oil filter. It's overdue. There's nothing special about your model—except how you've modified it, of course.


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13Back to top Go down   Oil Filter Change Empty Re: Oil Filter Change Mon Oct 08, 2018 7:29 pm

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Or of course you can take the sump pan off and use a strap type filter wrench if you have one.  And you'll be able to clean out the intake.


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14Back to top Go down   Oil Filter Change Empty Re: Oil Filter Change Mon Oct 08, 2018 7:50 pm

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Funny that, I arrived back in OZ with a new oil filter, and I thought enough tools in my shed for the job, but I'd left one of the three oil filter wrenches I own back in the States. Off came the sump and into the side of the filter went a long screwdriver to spin it off with. Doh!
It's only 13 Allen head screws, but at least the sump is clean, a new bead of Drei Bond seals it up and the pickup screen is clean, too.


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15Back to top Go down   Oil Filter Change Empty Re: Oil Filter Change Tue Oct 09, 2018 3:57 am

DBRMN

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Laitch wrote:
DBRMN wrote: need a special tool to remove the filter, does anyone have any techniques or do i just need to buy the special tool?
This is the project bike from 2017 and this is its first oil filter? Post a picture of the special tool, or its description.
Bike has not been on the road yet, it's still under construction so has not had the need for one.

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16Back to top Go down   Oil Filter Change Empty Re: Oil Filter Change Tue Oct 09, 2018 4:01 am

DBRMN

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Born Again Eccentric wrote:
Laitch wrote:
TheGreatMorten wrote:You need this filter cup.. i cant remember the size tho:
What I want to know is from DBRMN. What does his Haynes manual indicate is special?
Without wishing to put words in his mouth, I suspect that the "special" tool referred to in the manual is simple recognition that you can't get the oil filter out or in again easily without it, due to it being tucked up inside the oil pan - hence you need a special tool. It is not special (unique) to K bikes and widely available from the usual outlets (£8.70 from Motorworks for one version (top pic) and £9.30 from James Sherlock for another version - bottom pic).

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I don't think this would work, I'll take a picture today, my filter has a smooth bottom with no indent or anything.

    

17Back to top Go down   Oil Filter Change Empty Re: Oil Filter Change Tue Oct 09, 2018 4:07 am

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There's no indent in the bottom, nothing protruding, unless it's a K&N brand. Look at the edge and the tool pictured above in the replies, #3. It grasps the filter from the bottom sides. A closer look will reveal all.


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1977 R75/7-100, '93 K11/K12 Big Block, '93 K1100RS, '95 R100 Mystic, '96 K1100RS, 2 x '98 K1200RS, '06 K1200R & '09 K1300GT
    

18Back to top Go down   Oil Filter Change Empty Re: Oil Filter Change Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:09 am

DBRMN

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Tesla13BMW wrote:Or of course you can take the sump pan off and use a strap type filter wrench if you have one.  And you'll be able to clean out the intake.
That's quite a good idea actually.

    

19Back to top Go down   Oil Filter Change Empty Re: Oil Filter Change Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:31 am

Laitch

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DBRMN wrote:That's quite a good idea actually.
It is a good idea. You still should have a cup-style wrench and skill to use it so you can keep up with these two riders. cheers Like TWB indicates, just remove the round filter cover, push the cap wrench onto the filter, use a ratchet wrench with an extension to wind it out of there.

From the site link in this post:
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20Back to top Go down   Oil Filter Change Empty Re: Oil Filter Change Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:59 pm

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Also note that there's no real need to remove the drain plug when changing the oil if you're replacing the filter. You want to have a pan underneath to filter cover anyhow so removing and reinstalling the drain plug is not necessary.


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Current stable:
86 Custom K100 (standard fairing, K75 Belly pan, Ceramic chromed engine covers, paralever)
K75 Frankenbrick (Paralever, K11 front end, hybrid ABS, K1100RS fairing, radial tires)
86 K75C Turbo w/ paralever
94 K1100RS
93 K1100LT
91 K1
93 K75S (K11 front end)
91 K75S (K1 front end)
14 Yamaha WR250R
98 Taxi Cab K1200RS
14 K1600GT
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21Back to top Go down   Oil Filter Change Empty Re: Oil Filter Change Tue Oct 09, 2018 2:00 pm

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Just make sure it's a big pan / drip tray. When you knock off the filter sump the oil comes out in a hellova rush.


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2020 Royal Enfield Bullet 500
    

22Back to top Go down   Oil Filter Change Empty Re: Oil Filter Change Tue Oct 09, 2018 4:27 pm

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For what it takes in effort it’s worth cleaning the sump out if you haven’t already. I was amazed how much crap was sat in there.


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23Back to top Go down   Oil Filter Change Empty Re: Oil Filter Change Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:54 am

DBRMN

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nobbylon wrote:For what it takes in effort it’s worth cleaning the sump out if you haven’t already. I was amazed how much crap was sat in there.
Ye I think I will remove the sump to make sure there's not too much crap in there.

    

24Back to top Go down   Oil Filter Change Empty Re: Oil Filter Change Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:55 am

DBRMN

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Dai wrote:Just make sure it's a big pan / drip tray. When you knock off the filter sump the oil comes out in a hellova rush.
Even undoing the plug the oil came out so fast I panicked lol it was fine though very close to spilling.

    

25Back to top Go down   Oil Filter Change Empty Oil Filter Change a word of caution Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:23 am

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My 1983 K100 is ex-Japan. A Sumo wrestler must have tightened the oil filter on. After acquiring the bike I did an oil and oil filter change. The filter was put on so tight I broke the pressed steel oil filter tool trying too remove it. After various subsequent failed efforts to remove it I drove two 10mm bolts through the filter body and applied massive leverage with a 600mm long breaker bar with the end placed between the 2 bolts. Eventually the filter broke loose and I was able to remove it. The pressure applied was so great that I was worried I was going to break the Ali casting that the filter screws into. LESSON: lubricate the the rubber seal ring at the base of your filter when installing do not over tighten it.

    

26Back to top Go down   Oil Filter Change Empty Re: Oil Filter Change Sun Oct 14, 2018 2:04 pm

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Bet whoever changed the oil filter last, did not put a smear of oil on the rubber gasket!

I worked at a service station years ago and we'd get the wife bringing in the car with the jammed filter that her husband couldn't get off ;-) Some were a real Peter to remove. Sometimes the rubber would strip from the filter. The real bad ones that were also put on too tight would end up twisting the oil filter casing so bad and still couldn't remove them. We'd then drive a screwdriver through the casing and get it off eventually. Also check that the rubber gasket isn't stuck to the sump before the new filter is put on.

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27Back to top Go down   Oil Filter Change Empty Re: Oil Filter Change Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:55 am

Dai

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Oil on the gasket, spin 'em up finger tight, then a good twist of the wrist - all that's needed.


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1983 K100 naked upgraded to K100LT spec after spending time as an RS and an RT
1987 K100RT
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1978 Moto Guzzi 850-T3, 1979 Moto Guzzi 850-T3 California,1993 Moto Guzzi 1100ie California
2020 Royal Enfield Bullet 500
    

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