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indian036

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I am going to change a cam chain or 2 on the K-Pox Kollection. While I haven't done it on a K, I've done enough others not to be worried about the process.


What I am a little confused about is what should be included in a cam chain kit! The usual suspects obviously have different ideas:

  • Moto Bins - Timing Chain, Upper Slide Rail, Vertical Guide Rail, Cover Oil Seal (Picture on website not working)

  • Motor Works - Chain, 3 guide rails, 1 E clip, cam cover gasket (from picture)

  • Munich Motorcycles, West Oz - Chain, 3 guide rails, 2 E clips, T cover gasket, cover oil seal. (From picture)



James Sherlock doesn't offer a kit, just individual parts.


Those who have done the deed, what should I make sure I have ready?


I am assuming (hoping?) the tensioner itself and bottom metal rail it pushes on won't need changing, so won't buy them unless necessary due to their cost.


Thanks,


Bill


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1985 K100RT  VIN 0028991  My original Very Happy ROB the Red Old Bike   (Historic rego)
1985 K100RT  VIN 0029036  BOB the Blue Old Bike  (Historic rego)
1990 K100LT  VIN 0190452  Work in progress
1984 K100RT  VIN 0023022  Work needing lots of progress
1986 K100RT  VIN 0090542  Work needing lots and lots of progress
1993 K1100LT  VIN 0183046  Work in progress
1993 K75S  VIN 0213045  Tom the Triple (now on Historic rego too.)
    

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Tom G

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G'day Bill, I am about to embark on the  same process for the 75. I am also a little confused. What I am about to order from Motorworks is the Kit which includes:- top guide  ,vertical guide, Chain, bottom guide and valve cover gaskets. As well, I am about to order rubber gaskets for the cam cover bolts and the two guide retaining circlips. Don't know about the E clips though.
Holister recently replaced the timing chain bits on his RS, so he would have more info.
Hope you are travelling well and looking forward to seeing you home in about 3 weeks. Cheers Tom


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3Back to top Go down   Cam Chain Kit - Help, Please Empty Re: Cam Chain Kit - Help, Please Sun Jul 03, 2016 5:54 am

charlie99

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bottom rail for sure,  plus the clips (just in case), chain  +  timing seal to crankshaft  .....but don't forget to lynish the shaft that it fits to ...(will bed in the new seal properly )

obviously if the top and side rails are worn ...that might only show up on disassembly

don't forget , depending on the year of the cam chain tensioner build you may find that the earliest design may have some wear on the sharkstooth anti rotation gears ...and just be slipping to and fro ...giving a false indication of the cam chain wear ...noise

just some notes from me


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klompy the grey brick

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Hey Bill and Tom perhaps you could do it together at the same time same location....I would love to observe and maybe someone who has done it could be pulled in as a consultant....I am happy to cook a BBQ bring some drinks...
Hey any chance we could hear what a dodgy chain sounds like?...

Cheers klompy


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Chassis number0019026
Vehicle code0503
SeriesK589
ModelK 100 RS 83 (0502 ( 0503 )
Body typeK 100 RS 83 (0502
Catalog modelECE
Production date1984 / 07
Engine0513)

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Holister

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klompy the grey brick wrote:..........

Hey any chance we could hear what a dodgy chain sounds like?...
Sure 🤡
https://www.k100-forum.com/t10758-rattly-timing-chain#128552

I'm going to do the chain and guides on the 1100 as soon as I get parts from motorworks if you're interested. Or I'll come and provide some support when you do yours if you want.

There are no issues with mine,  just couldn't see anything in the service records that it'd been done and she's done 130k now.

At 160k the guides on my old girl K100 were very worn... see link above.


Bill, its not difficult but the manuals are a little scant on detail so I made notes when I did my old girl. I'll PM you.
I ordered the kit from Motorworks plus the securing clip for the top rail. Motorworks #ENA64963. Which is part #14 in the explodedview on realoem. I read somewhere that it should be replaced.



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1989 K100RT     VIN  0097367 (naked)  
1996 K1100RS   VIN  0451808		 Cam Chain Kit - Help, Please Austra12    Fuel:  95 Octane
Engine Oil: Nulon Full Synthetic 15W50
Gear Box Oil:  Nulon Synthetic 75W90
    

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indian036

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klompy the grey brick wrote:Hey Bill and Tom perhaps you could do it together at the same time same location....I would love to observe and maybe someone who has done it could be pulled in as a consultant....I am happy to cook a BBQ bring some drinks...
Hey any chance we could hear what a dodgy chain sounds like?...

Cheers klompy
Sounds like a good idea to me if Tom can wait till I return from the land of frogs and snails. 

Charlie, thanks for the confirmation. It did seem strange to me that the one item under constant pressure wasn't in the Moto Bins kit!

Thanks, Nigel, for the link to the audio. 

Bill


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1985 K100RT  VIN 0028991  My original Very Happy ROB the Red Old Bike   (Historic rego)
1985 K100RT  VIN 0029036  BOB the Blue Old Bike  (Historic rego)
1990 K100LT  VIN 0190452  Work in progress
1984 K100RT  VIN 0023022  Work needing lots of progress
1986 K100RT  VIN 0090542  Work needing lots and lots of progress
1993 K1100LT  VIN 0183046  Work in progress
1993 K75S  VIN 0213045  Tom the Triple (now on Historic rego too.)
    

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indian036

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Update:

I ordered the Motobins kit and the bottom guide.

When I got them, I opened the kit and found that the bottom guide was indeed included in the kit, despite the description on the website. Since I ordered 2 kits (Don't forget I have K-Pox), I now have 2 spare bottom guides and spent £10 more than I needed to.

I have the promise of a discount on my next order, so I'll see what that works out to be.

Bill


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1985 K100RT  VIN 0028991  My original Very Happy ROB the Red Old Bike   (Historic rego)
1985 K100RT  VIN 0029036  BOB the Blue Old Bike  (Historic rego)
1990 K100LT  VIN 0190452  Work in progress
1984 K100RT  VIN 0023022  Work needing lots of progress
1986 K100RT  VIN 0090542  Work needing lots and lots of progress
1993 K1100LT  VIN 0183046  Work in progress
1993 K75S  VIN 0213045  Tom the Triple (now on Historic rego too.)
    

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Holister

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that's a bugger Bill. They should've seen the double up.

I order my gear from Motorworks but their kit doesn't include the front crankshaft seal so my Old Girl K100 didn't get that replaced. All's good tho.
Sweet Thing K1100 had a tiny bit of oil misting under the timing cover so I replaced the seal on her. The top guide and the side guide are different on the 1100 and I found I had to remove the camshaft drive sprockets to get the chain and top and side guides off and new ones back on.

Resetting the tensioner is easy once you work out how it works.

cheers


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1989 K100RT     VIN  0097367 (naked)  
1996 K1100RS   VIN  0451808		 Cam Chain Kit - Help, Please Austra12    Fuel:  95 Octane
Engine Oil: Nulon Full Synthetic 15W50
Gear Box Oil:  Nulon Synthetic 75W90
    

9Back to top Go down   Cam Chain Kit - Help, Please Empty Re: Cam Chain Kit - Help, Please Tue Aug 09, 2016 8:14 pm

indian036

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The kit was in a non transparent padded bag, so the person who packed the order can't be blamed. Responsibility lies with the person who put the kit contents data out to the web master, and didn't organise a photo.

There are worse problems people have to deal with, so it's not a biggie.

Thanks for the PM info, Nigel. 

Bill


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1985 K100RT  VIN 0028991  My original Very Happy ROB the Red Old Bike   (Historic rego)
1985 K100RT  VIN 0029036  BOB the Blue Old Bike  (Historic rego)
1990 K100LT  VIN 0190452  Work in progress
1984 K100RT  VIN 0023022  Work needing lots of progress
1986 K100RT  VIN 0090542  Work needing lots and lots of progress
1993 K1100LT  VIN 0183046  Work in progress
1993 K75S  VIN 0213045  Tom the Triple (now on Historic rego too.)
    

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