1 Fuel pump woes Tue Mar 29, 2016 8:15 pm
Bikesmith
Silver member
Hi everyone!
This is my first post other than my intro, so forgive me (and correct me) if I mess up any etiquette.
My wife gave me a non-running 1985 K100rs for my birthday a couple weeks ago. I've been going down the list fixing the countless things wrong with it. I'm pretty good on mechanical stuff, but the electrics have me stumped.
My current big problem is the fuel pump. As I got the bike, the fuel pump was doing nothing. I measured 12 volts at the electrical connections directly at the pump, but it didn't spin at all. I figured that pointed definitively to a dead pump, so I ordered a new one. That arrived today and I installed it. The first time I tried starting the bike, the pump spun intermittently a few times. As it did the engine started to catch, which I take as a good sign. Then the pump stopped altogether. No amount of starter cranking would get the pump to move again at all.
I've been using this guide (http://hrsbstaff.ednet.ns.ca/bvogel/K100/download/bike-wont-start1.htm) to try to figure out what's wrong. Here's what I've found:
The fuse is fine.
There is power from the ignition to pin 86 of the FI relay.
The relay itself seems to be dead. I tried swapping it with the headlight relay, which made the headlight stop working.
There is no connection (infinite resistance) between pin 7 of the ECU connection and pin 85 of the FI relay. Actually, pin 7 at the ECU side (testing on the wire, not the ECU pin itself) seems to connect to ground.
This makes me suspect a break in the wire that's shorting to ground. Does that seem reasonable? Could that be what killed the relay? I'd try rewiring that connection (ECU 7 to relay 85) but I'm terrified of frying something expensive. Also, I noticed that what should be a single wire looks (maybe) different at each end. At the ECU end, it looks like it's yellow with a brown stripe. At the relay end, it looks like it's brown with a yellow stripe. I might have that reversed, and I also might just be mistaken. Brown/yellow looks a lot like yellow/brown. Most of the wire, of course, is inside the harness. But as far as I can see the harness seems intact. I don't see anywhere where the wire could be broken.
Any thoughts? Am I on the right track? Is there something else I should check to figure out a diagnosis? Should I just try connecting ECU 7 to relay 85 directly? Will that hurt anything to try?
Oh! It also might be relevant to mention that I just replaced the hall sensor. I think I did so correctly, but I certainly could have messed it up. If I did mess that up, could it create the symptoms I've described?
Thanks so much for your help!
-Jon
This is my first post other than my intro, so forgive me (and correct me) if I mess up any etiquette.
My wife gave me a non-running 1985 K100rs for my birthday a couple weeks ago. I've been going down the list fixing the countless things wrong with it. I'm pretty good on mechanical stuff, but the electrics have me stumped.
My current big problem is the fuel pump. As I got the bike, the fuel pump was doing nothing. I measured 12 volts at the electrical connections directly at the pump, but it didn't spin at all. I figured that pointed definitively to a dead pump, so I ordered a new one. That arrived today and I installed it. The first time I tried starting the bike, the pump spun intermittently a few times. As it did the engine started to catch, which I take as a good sign. Then the pump stopped altogether. No amount of starter cranking would get the pump to move again at all.
I've been using this guide (http://hrsbstaff.ednet.ns.ca/bvogel/K100/download/bike-wont-start1.htm) to try to figure out what's wrong. Here's what I've found:
The fuse is fine.
There is power from the ignition to pin 86 of the FI relay.
The relay itself seems to be dead. I tried swapping it with the headlight relay, which made the headlight stop working.
There is no connection (infinite resistance) between pin 7 of the ECU connection and pin 85 of the FI relay. Actually, pin 7 at the ECU side (testing on the wire, not the ECU pin itself) seems to connect to ground.
This makes me suspect a break in the wire that's shorting to ground. Does that seem reasonable? Could that be what killed the relay? I'd try rewiring that connection (ECU 7 to relay 85) but I'm terrified of frying something expensive. Also, I noticed that what should be a single wire looks (maybe) different at each end. At the ECU end, it looks like it's yellow with a brown stripe. At the relay end, it looks like it's brown with a yellow stripe. I might have that reversed, and I also might just be mistaken. Brown/yellow looks a lot like yellow/brown. Most of the wire, of course, is inside the harness. But as far as I can see the harness seems intact. I don't see anywhere where the wire could be broken.
Any thoughts? Am I on the right track? Is there something else I should check to figure out a diagnosis? Should I just try connecting ECU 7 to relay 85 directly? Will that hurt anything to try?
Oh! It also might be relevant to mention that I just replaced the hall sensor. I think I did so correctly, but I certainly could have messed it up. If I did mess that up, could it create the symptoms I've described?
Thanks so much for your help!
-Jon