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mike d

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On the K100 using ABS1 are the two wheel sensors independent?

i.e. If the rear sensor was removed, would the front ABS still be functional?

Is this the same for ABS2.

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2Back to top Go down   ABS Question Empty Re: ABS Question Tue Jun 23, 2015 7:19 am

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Both the sensors need to be functional because it is primarialy a comparison of wheel speed that determines the ABS function.


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I guess that you would have a permanent alarm on the instrument cluster. Send an email to Kosi(?), the bloke in Japan who fixes them. He would know.


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Thanks for the responses.

Wouldn't the fact that you have individual fault codes for the front and rear sensors mean that only the faulty one would not have ABS functionality?

The iABS system as fitted to the R1150 actually has a fault code 'At least one brake circuit without ABS', as well as one each for the sensors. Chalk and cheese by comparison I know.........

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If a fault develops then the ABS stops working. If the ABS is to work it must have signals from each wheel sensor for comparison otherwise it cant tell if one wheel has locked or is skiding. The brakes will still work but without the ABS function.


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6Back to top Go down   ABS Question Empty Re: ABS Question Wed Jun 24, 2015 4:44 am

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Cheers Rick.

This was a question asked of me by another member of our club, so will get back to him.

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One exception to the brakes working in spite of non-functioning ABS is the servo-asissted R1150 and K1200 series iABS. No ABS, no brakey. It feels like someone greased the pads. Pucker string tightening, to say the least when in traffic and expecting brakes!


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I know that first hand! Not good.

I raised a vehicle defect report with VOSA who handle recalls etc in the UK. The motorcycle guy I spoke to explained how it had been demonstrated by a BMW test rider how a bike with the ABS switched off could be brought to a halt in a slightly longer distance than full servo brakes. How I laughed!

When I started to question his experience it turned out he didn't even have a bike licence!

I eventually got a deal with my local Motorrad dealer and they fitted a new module, all still o.k. after 5 years.


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Two Wheels Better wrote:One exception to the brakes working in spite of non-functioning ABS is the servo-asissted R1150 and K1200 series iABS. No ABS, no brakey. It feels like someone greased the pads. Pucker string tightening, to say the least when in traffic and expecting brakes!
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mike d wrote:I know that first hand! Not good.

I raised a vehicle defect report with VOSA who handle recalls etc in the UK. The motorcycle guy I spoke to explained how it had been demonstrated by a BMW test rider how a bike with the ABS switched off could be brought to a halt in a slightly longer distance than full servo brakes. How I laughed!

When I started to question his experience it turned out he didn't even have a bike licence!

I eventually got a deal with my local Motorrad dealer and they fitted a new module, all still o.k. after 5 years.


Mike
Having four piston calipers with 320mm floating brake discs doubled at the front and a two piston fixed disc at the rear WITH integral ABS fully functional, the braking action is nothing short of incredible, except perhaps when in a moment of inattention you grab a bigger handful (or bootful) than required for the riding environment and your nungas go smack into the back end of the tank!...and low speed, tight turn car park manouevres with a slight jab of the rear brake can produce an unwanted result as you potentially topple over like a neophyte rider.
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.and low speed, tight turn car park manouevres with a slight jab of the rear brake can produce an unwanted result as you potentially topple over like a neophyte rider.

Been there done that as well Embarassed

First time I took it to work, luckily no one else about. Felt a right numpty, as I have been riding BM's since 1978 and covered hundreds of thousands of miles!

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