glad to hear the riders are ok, shame Bikey needs repairs. It now gives you a chance to fix him up to your liking.

dang becky ...sad news indeed

last thing we need right now is to have our friends end up bikeless for a while

hope the repairs and parts come available to you

cheers from down here

Becky wrote:Disaster! . .   any ideas on the oil leak?

Sounds lie a hefty sort of collision on the engine. Have not had any experience with this type of thing but, having changes all covers from one k engine to another, it appears to me it could be, at simplest, that the knock the engine took may have simply upset the cover and sealing gasket.

First off, if I were you (not sure how spanner handy you are) I would remove the cover, inspect where the bolts enter the block, look for cracks or bent bolts as you undo them etc. If it all seems ok try simply resetting the gasket and the cover back on to the block without over tightening them. use the correct torque settings. If this fails then more serious damage might have occurred

The gasket is reusable heaps of times but if you remove the cover be sure to clean the gasket, clean out all the seams, grooves and the mating faces of both surfaces before replacing the cover.

This is all I know. Hope it helps

Thanks guys, its now looking like blue eyes will be lending me his K and taking mine to repair him. He seems to think a similar thing about the gasket. Its horrible seeing bikey look such a mess, 50,000miles together and nothing like this has happened before, and the day after we had brought him back to life again! Absolutely gutted but if the wall wasnt there i would have been dead (steep drop the other side and the wall ended two meters from where i hit it ) but still devestated about bikey. Must be love though because blue eyes is still my boyfriend, i previously though that if anyone hurt him i would kill them

will put some pictures up later, it is very very sad though :(He may end up having to be naked... lower fairing on both sides is pretty badly damaged, unless anyone has any i can buy?

Not good news Becky but so long as you're OK. I have all the parts but the postage would send you bankrupt.
James Sherlock or Motoworks may have the panels you need and try for the colour as well.
You better hurry too or you'll miss the Irish shindig.

Ha ha i can imagine! Just making a new photo thread with the damage pics....

Becky

My suspicion of the cause was not far off the mark. I suppose ole blue eyes was feeling a bit sheepish after that. Quiet as a lamb now I guess but glad to see all is ok.

My LT after it too was rear ended [by a car], leaked the oil out. A replacement crankshaft cover was quite small money from Motorworks. To be honest by the time you take it down etc etc you might not find what the problem is if its a crack in the cover, could be as easy to get a replacement and have it nicely cleaned up. To get it off you have to drain coolant and remove the hose going through the cover. I reckon these covers end up damaged in a lot of drops, either a hole or damage at the bolt holes.

But.....my RT got rear ended in a hit and run, it was parked. It too went down on the right hand side and leaked oil. Up to then it had been 100% oil tight. This time the issue was the oil pump and can only conclude something got dislodged because it had a leak afterwards. The crankcase cover was fine although marked.

The gasket 'in theory should be replaced' but its like the O ring on the oil cover, clean it all up well and reuse, should be fine. New one is expensive.

I needed fairing lower too, got from eBay France for reasonable money. Trouble was it was the same colour as 88KEs fairing so it went walkabout to his place. eBay can be much cheaper than Motorworks. Pop up a few photos? Have a look on eBay.fr and eBay.de and see what you find. If your colour is original get a note of the colour code and you might just be lucky. To be honest Motorworks and others have a big stock so see if they have your colour.

I have to say these situations look a heck of a lot worse than they are. Short term you can ride the LT without the fairing inners and lower panels. You can still have the storage boxes in.

So how is blue eyes after that? A few inches shorter? Clearly Bikey didn't hurt him anyway and that's good. Bikes fix. People don't fix so easily. So will blue eyes come over in September?

Right side, crank cover (took the brunt of the wall impact)
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Right lower fairing scrapes and cracks
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This pannier escaped fairly lightly, it popped off on impact
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Other pannier
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Engine scrapes
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Dented rim
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Pictures are up under the k bike pictures section, Bikey is going to live at blue eyes for a bit while he is fixed...My elbow was hugely swollen last night but its gone down now, Dad was trying to make me go through the insurance but would work out a big expense for us both, serves us right for talking about how many no claims we had the stop before it happened!  Hes also leaking oil from another bit and has been for a while so hopefully he will looik at that too while he has him  And ive made him promise to look after him! Told him how he likes his tank stroked at traffic lights and prefers v power fuel and how he needs talking to

Becky,

This ones not good.

Is the bolt at this point broken off? This part with the fins is the bottom half of the engine. Can you get a better close up? There is a thread on changing this case from the US but you wont be going there. If its the side case it not a problem but the one with the fins is different.

Beck

I posted up a reply on the other post. This photo is not a good one, the others are all easily fixed with parts but this one is the bottom half of the engine and isn't easily replaced. However you may be able to investigate repair from outside but it will take some skill to do that. Araldite is your friend and I have done this before but not on a K. the crankcase as far as I know is not under pressure, if anything it is negative pressure [vacuum] so all the repair has to do is stay there.

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Best i can do. Its not actually leaking around the bolt, its around the seal above the bolt. Not at a huge rate but looks like hes lost a fair bit over night...

He also has another oil leak which i have been told is probably deep in the engine.... has been doing it since its oil change for germany so any suggestions on the best oil to use in a high mileage bike?

Becky,

Don't go getting anything until you can sort that one, its going to determine what you do. But you were able to ride him home so there is a scope to sort it.

There are two joints just above that bolt.

At that bolt you have a horizontal seal just above it, this is where the top and bottom halves are bolted together. This joint is just about visible all the way round and you do not want this joint to be leaking.

Also, just above the bolt is the joint between the side cover and the engine. This joint is the one we want to be leaking!!!

Clean it all off and get all the oil off. We used to blow chalk on then to see where the leak was, flour or talcum powder will work too. Top up oil and see where it comes out.

Becky & Blue Eyes

Sorry to hear the bad news, but glad that you are both reasonably OK.
 
Blue on Blue is always sad - small mercy that Blue eyes was on a smaller machine - I suspect the damage would have been much worse if it had been the two K's (there is a lot of weight in them tha bikes).

Hope you manage to get the necessary bits to restore Bikey and get the oil leak fixed and are still able to make the Norn trip next month.

Its coming from the black seal that runs all the way along between the two sections(only weeping in one place) did manage to ride it back bu put a bit more oil in every 20 miles just to make sure and took it really easy.

If all of the impact is on the side cover and none on the lower part of the engine its the side cover seal should be the problem which would be good news. If a bit unsure its not too hard to take off that side cover clean it out and reseat it. Just put water back instead of coolant [but save and reuse the coolant since its new] just to test it. Then let him rest a day or two and see if he is oil tight. If he is oil tight then it all seems to look good.

Your oil in the sump does not come up this far, only to the sight glass so keeping oil in up here should not be too hard. He should not be losing much oil except possibly from some oil galleries.

Becky wrote:Its coming from the black seal that runs all the way along between the two sections(only weeping in one place) did manage to ride it back bu put a bit more oil in every 20 miles just to make sure and took it really easy.

Do you mean the black seal running under the side of the engine cover? The one held on with the bolts looking out to the side?

Erm.... on the picture its probably about a fingers width above the bolt, run all the way along but only leaking above the bolt and is only weeping. Only the crank cover was damaged on that side.

I reckon get blue eyes to take off that side cover to look for cracks and clean and rebed the seal and see if that works. Its kind of hard to this remotely but it can be as easy as it only needs a little time.

Did you put a lot of oil in to get home?

Hope so but looking rather unlikely! Im glad it wasnt the other k that hit me, think i probably would have missed the wall and been off the ledge in a dead heep at the bottom  Plus it means i can now borrow his while he fixes mine! Still gutted though, 50000 miles together and never had a crash before....

When I look at the photo of the bolt it looks like bits of the flange are broken away above the bolt, this is where the bottom case meets the upper case and there is a gasket here. I looked at my K and there is a smooth metal line above the bolt but yours looks broken as if little bits came out.

It was about 40 miles and put 1/3 of a liter in, no idea how much it actually needed as spyglass is blacked up....a fair puddle at his feet this morning though

so what might that mean needs doing?

Clean it up and have a good look. I think also that the flange of the bottom pan is damaged, but you can repair overcome that. However, I would only expect to see oil coming out of there with a running engine, so if you found oil under the engine in the morning you haven't found all of your troubles yet I'm afraid. Put newspaper underneath to see where it leaks after cleaning the underside of the block well.

Hoping for the best!

Changing the bottom case is an engine out and gearbox and bell housing off job. And its not simple because top and bottom are supposed to be matched. I say supposed to be because there are posts about not matching them and not having any problems. But you really don't want to go there.

Others will know better than me but if there is no oil pressure on the inside then keeping it oil tight may not be impossible with some creative engineering as in a repair from outside.

I still think take off the side cover and reseat it and see what happens. If that works all is fine. If not then you must look at the area around the bolt more closely as it does appear damaged. With the side cover off its possible to inspect it more closely.

I notice in the photo someone is walking barefoot on gravel chippings...was this punishment for blue eyes?

ha ha its actually me, i have big feet (size 9)  but i am tall so i need them  Blue eyes dosnt need a punishment, hes beating himself up about it pretty well! and hes had to tell his parents about my existence

ReneZ wrote:Clean it up and have a good look. I think also that the flange of the bottom pan is damaged, but you can repair overcome that. However, I would only expect to see oil coming out of there with a running engine, so if you found oil under the engine in the morning you haven't found all of your troubles yet I'm afraid. Put newspaper underneath to see where it leaks after cleaning the underside of the block well.

Hoping for the best!

Exactly my thought Rene, though I thought there might be an oil return gallery which might have drained out overnight. As you say its above the oil level so it should be dry.

There are some amazing repair materials out there now and that's not under oil pressure.

My oil pump took a knock in my case and also leaked significantly.

will just have to wait until blue eyes gets him in bits and see....may have managed to locate a fairing though...

Becky wrote:ha ha its actually me, i have big feet (size 9)  but i am tall so i need them  Blue eyes dosnt need a punishment, hes beating himself up about it pretty well! and hes had to tell his parents about my existence

Mmm this could be interesting......Guilt complex. No disrespect though, its the people that are more important.

I actually think he was very lucky.

Looking at the wheel and the other stuff it was not a light impact and its good no one was hurt. But having been hit in a similar way I will tell you that you need to watch your neck and to be honest would seriously think you should get it checked out.

My neck does feel fine, head didnt touch the floor, elbow took the brunt of the impact (was massively swollen last night but has gone down a bit) few leg bruises but nothing major, i was up straight away but blue eyes was led in the road which was tterrifying. He got up though, think just winded, fairly bad road rash on his side. picked up the K together and i rode him to a layby then we had to untwist the 250's mudguard so we could push it to the layby.

Then when we had both decided we were ok we had to get on mine and ride to find signal as we were in the middle of nowhere...

Becky wrote:He also has another oil leak which i have been told is probably deep in the engine.... has been doing it since its oil change for germany so any suggestions on the best oil to use in a high mileage bike?

Oil leak since this oil change? Did you have the circular cover [uses an O ring] off for the filter or the sump plate [uses a sealant, no gasket]?

Any possibility of sump being overfilled and leaking out the engine seal at the rear? Hole at the bottom of the bell housing? Again this seal is above the oil level, but only if its not overfilled.

Were you at the water pump at all?

no idea! Dad did it  the drips are falling just near the centre stand. Good possibility of it being overfilled as with the sight clouded not sure how much is in there. but it has been doing it for a while now...

Becky your head doesn't need to touch the floor at all. Your head goes back at impact, which is why helmets are not made too heavy. Because its unexpected you can go back quite far and then forward. The injury only shows up on a scan. Taller people are more at risk, head distance from point of impact is higher, due to longer spines and higher head weight.

Just be careful.

Becky wrote:no idea! Dad did it  the drips are falling just near the centre stand. Good possibility of it being overfilled as with the sight clouded not sure how much is in there. but it has been doing it for a while now...

Sounds suspiciously like the drain hole under the bell housing. If you clean off underneath then this should show up as there is a drain hole in the centre.

will be, feels ok at the moment, no issues with moving it or anything and no sore spots. Not sure on whether to go about my elbow though, cant tell if its just bruising or something a bit more. swelling has gone down a lot though and i have movement.

brilliant, thank you  any advice on how to clean up the spy glass?

My son lectures me about broken bones and the dangers if unbroken bones are not looked after. If in doubt he would say check it out. Bruise is very likely and they don't do much for that.

As for neck, you don't feel that immediately.

Becky wrote:brilliant, thank you  any advice on how to clean up the spy glass?

From outside a cleaner like Cif or TCut will do it, but they can be replaced if blue eyes is feeling a small bit adventurous.

You can drop the sump cover and gain access from inside to push it out with a screwdriver. The new one pushes in from outside. My friend with the workshop has a trick though, drills it and pulls it out but you must clean off swarf and bits.

Do you see level on the side stand? It could be just overfilled?

Still cloudy when all the oil has been drained out so may have to be a new one!

You'll want to drain it anyway to see if it's still clean, no debris etc.

Yeah hes due an oil change anyway, last change he got really expensive posh oil and i dont think he liked it. Can anyone recommend some?

DONT GO THERE!!!!!

Ha ha please! it does lots of miles and its high milage, mix of short trips and long runs out.

I know, keep getting that lecture off dad, but its a bank holiday in blackpool, a & e will be packed!

Any of the well known brands in the right viscosity range and then stay with it. Castrol, Valvoline Shell or Mobil I use Shell HX5 mainly because I get it at Mates Rates and I can get it almost anywhere to top up if I need to.
Don't use the cheap oils from the supermarkets they are cheap for a good reason.
Main thing is stay with the same brand.
From what I can see of that damage the whole sump will probably have to come off.
If Blue Eyes is insured then put a claim in against his insurance and they will have to fix the bike they can't write it off. I say that because the damage to your bike would write it off if the insurance can. His insurance can't write your bike off because you don't have a contract with them.  AFAIK it is the same in UK as in Oz.  Stand your ground with the buggers they will try to bluff you.