1 '85 k100 revved, died, and now won't start Fri Sep 28, 2012 2:39 pm
Rabidchiwawa007
Platinum member
Hey there,
This is a little long, I know, and sorry!
So I originally had an engine cutout problem where I would be riding, the engine would randomly cut out and then come back on a couple seconds later. This I eventually narrowed down to the right side on/off + start switch unit. So, I replaced that switch with a good-working one I bought from ebay. In the course of all this, the bike had been sitting for about a week. I also had a small 3/4" block of wood under the left side of the center stand just to keep oil from seeping in to the combustion chamber.
So anyways, I swap out the switches, put it all back together, go to start it, and have a rough time getting it started. Battery is brand new and fully charged. I figure it's probably just due to it having sat for a week or so, and try it a bit more. On the ~7th try of starting it, it finally started. It was acting normally, and seemed fine. The switch worked and was much better than before.
I revved the bike up to about 4-4.5k rpm, and then it suddenly just stopped. It just shut off. So I tried starting it again. The engine turned over, and I could see a little exhaust coming out the pipe. This is the current state of the bike. The starter turns for about 2 seconds, then the engine just turns maybe at 100 rpm for a half a second then it all just stops. It's like the starter starts to start the engine, but then quits before the job is done.
The odd thing is that the engine will do more revolutions if I don't hold the choke on or pull on the throttle. When I hold the choke on, most the time the engine doesn't turn at all. I checked fuel flow by removing the hose from the rail, putting it in a jar, and pressing the starter button. A pretty good amount of fuel came out, so the issue is not with fuel delivery.
Next, I pushed it up a big hill (ugh!) and then coasted down trying to essentially jump start it. Ignition and on/off switch on, the engine started turning (of course, as a result of the rear wheel turning), but the fuel pump did not come on.
Cleaned all spark plugs (they're new, and there is spark because of the exhaust I saw coming out of the pipe each time I tried to start it). Same issue after cleaning.
At this point, I took it to our local motorcycle shop specializing in BMWs. I actually saw a couple k100s in there, so it's nothing new to them. The mechanic used the initial two hours of labor and called me up. He said he checked all the simple stuff, such as fuel flow, airflow meter, air leaks (there quite a few, but they never stopped it from starting nice and strong before), connections, fuses, etc etc. He said he was pretty stumped and that to get the bike to good running condition, it'd be around 1200-1500 USD (hah! yeah right). He suggested that it could be a computer issue, either the ICU or the EFI. This made the most sense to me as it seems like the computer may be telling the starter that the bike is at 700+ rpm when in fact it's not, causing the starter to quit and the bike to not start.
Does anyone have any further insight and suggestions, or can anyone justify my spending $150 on a new (used) ICU as a strong possibility that that's where the issue is?
This is a little long, I know, and sorry!
So I originally had an engine cutout problem where I would be riding, the engine would randomly cut out and then come back on a couple seconds later. This I eventually narrowed down to the right side on/off + start switch unit. So, I replaced that switch with a good-working one I bought from ebay. In the course of all this, the bike had been sitting for about a week. I also had a small 3/4" block of wood under the left side of the center stand just to keep oil from seeping in to the combustion chamber.
So anyways, I swap out the switches, put it all back together, go to start it, and have a rough time getting it started. Battery is brand new and fully charged. I figure it's probably just due to it having sat for a week or so, and try it a bit more. On the ~7th try of starting it, it finally started. It was acting normally, and seemed fine. The switch worked and was much better than before.
I revved the bike up to about 4-4.5k rpm, and then it suddenly just stopped. It just shut off. So I tried starting it again. The engine turned over, and I could see a little exhaust coming out the pipe. This is the current state of the bike. The starter turns for about 2 seconds, then the engine just turns maybe at 100 rpm for a half a second then it all just stops. It's like the starter starts to start the engine, but then quits before the job is done.
The odd thing is that the engine will do more revolutions if I don't hold the choke on or pull on the throttle. When I hold the choke on, most the time the engine doesn't turn at all. I checked fuel flow by removing the hose from the rail, putting it in a jar, and pressing the starter button. A pretty good amount of fuel came out, so the issue is not with fuel delivery.
Next, I pushed it up a big hill (ugh!) and then coasted down trying to essentially jump start it. Ignition and on/off switch on, the engine started turning (of course, as a result of the rear wheel turning), but the fuel pump did not come on.
Cleaned all spark plugs (they're new, and there is spark because of the exhaust I saw coming out of the pipe each time I tried to start it). Same issue after cleaning.
At this point, I took it to our local motorcycle shop specializing in BMWs. I actually saw a couple k100s in there, so it's nothing new to them. The mechanic used the initial two hours of labor and called me up. He said he checked all the simple stuff, such as fuel flow, airflow meter, air leaks (there quite a few, but they never stopped it from starting nice and strong before), connections, fuses, etc etc. He said he was pretty stumped and that to get the bike to good running condition, it'd be around 1200-1500 USD (hah! yeah right). He suggested that it could be a computer issue, either the ICU or the EFI. This made the most sense to me as it seems like the computer may be telling the starter that the bike is at 700+ rpm when in fact it's not, causing the starter to quit and the bike to not start.
Does anyone have any further insight and suggestions, or can anyone justify my spending $150 on a new (used) ICU as a strong possibility that that's where the issue is?
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