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1Back to top Go down   oil level question Empty gearbox and final drive fluid Sat Mar 09, 2024 5:49 pm

mmgee123

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trying to find the correct fluid for my 1988 k100, i’m looking into mobil 1 75w90 synthetic? any recommendations or tips? i live in alabama (U.S) for reference so it won’t ever get too cold

    

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Point-Seven-five

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My bikes are very happy to get Walmart full synthetic 75/90 GL5.  The GL5 is the important part.  It means it is for transmissions without brass or bronze synchronizers.


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Present: 1991 K100RS "Moby Brick Too"
 
Past:
1994 K75RT "Ilsa, She Wolf of the SS"
1988 K100RS SE "Special Ed"
1994 K75S "Cheetos"
1992 K100RS "Moby Brick" R.I.P.
1982 Honda FT500
1979 Honda XR185
1977 Honda XL125
1974 Honda XL125
1972 OSSA Pioneer 250
1968 Kawasaki 175
    

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Bricklayer

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Same here on the Walmart full synthetic 75/90 GL5 available just about everywhere in 'merica with an occasional free freak show thrown in.

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mmgee123

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attached an image, i only added 3 quarts of oil to my k100 but everything says i need 4, but it’s right on the dot. is this okay or should i add the other quart?

    

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moriarti

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You dont say if filter was changed as well, anyway fill to dot run engine for 5min or so allow to stand for 20/30mins check level add oil if required to dot on glass  Very Happy


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Point-Seven-five

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mmgee123 wrote:attached an image, i only added 3 quarts of oil to my k100 but everything says i need 4, but it’s right on the dot. is this okay or should i add the other quart?
As  you pour the new oil in, some may find its way over to the sight glass and fill it.  Because the oil is cold, it will have a tendency to hang in the glass.  As was mentioned by Moriarti, running the engine for a while will warm the oil so it will properly run out of the glass and show the proper level.


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Present: 1991 K100RS "Moby Brick Too"
 
Past:
1994 K75RT "Ilsa, She Wolf of the SS"
1988 K100RS SE "Special Ed"
1994 K75S "Cheetos"
1992 K100RS "Moby Brick" R.I.P.
1982 Honda FT500
1979 Honda XR185
1977 Honda XL125
1974 Honda XL125
1972 OSSA Pioneer 250
1968 Kawasaki 175
    

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By Crazy Frog (Esteemed Forum Creator) from 2012.

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And here is a link to the K100 owners' manual courtesy of KBikeParts.com (see pages 18 & 69 of 94)

K100 Factory Owners' Manual


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1977 R75/7-100, '93 K11/K12 Big Block, '93 K1100RS, '95 R100 Mystic, '96 K1100RS, 2 x '98 K1200RS, '06 K1200R & '09 K1300GT
    

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92KK 84WW Olaf

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The first post is about transmission and final drive, not engine.

The transmission level is quite specific. It has to be measured with a dip stick. If you have the C spanner for rear suspension adjustment, its marked with the level mark. If not, a screwdriver with a non removable shaft [so it cant fall out into the transmission- dismantle it to get it back out] and its 116mm from the top handle.

Final drive uses the same oil, to the beginning of the filler plug threads.

1 litre is not sufficient to do both, together they take slightly more.


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1992 K100LT 0193214 Bertha Blue 101,000 miles
1984 K100RT 0022575 Brutus Baja Red 578 bought 36,000 now 89,150 miles
1997 K1100LT 0188024 Wotan Mystic Red 689 58,645 now 106,950 miles Deceased.
1983 K100RS 0011157 Fricka 606 Alaska Blue 29,495 miles Damn K Pox Its a Bat outta Hell Now 58,200 miles. 
1996 K1100LT 0233004 Lohengrin Mystic Red 38,000 miles currently 51,800 miles.
1983 K100RS 0004449 Odette R100 colours 58,000 miles. Sprint fairing now 63,390 miles

Past:
1968 Yamaha 80 YG1
1971 Yamaha 125 YAS-1
1968 Honda 125 SS
1970 Honda CD 175
1973 Honda CB500-4
Honda CX 500
    

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RS Rider

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Point-Seven-five wrote:My bikes are very happy to get Walmart full synthetic 75/90 GL5.  The GL5 is the important part.  It means it is for transmissions without brass or bronze synchronizers.
 What are you guys in the USA paying for Red Line at Walmart? In Canada, 1L container is $38.95. Similarly, a 1L of Motul 75W-90 synthetic is approx $35. My Motul 90W mineral is $25 for a 2L jug.


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92KK 84WW Olaf wrote:The first post is about transmission and final drive, not engine.

The transmission level is quite specific. It has to be measured with a dip stick. If you have the C spanner for rear suspension adjustment, its marked with the level mark. If not, a screwdriver with a non removable shaft [so it cant fall out into the transmission- dismantle it to get it back out] and its 116mm from the top handle.

Final drive uses the same oil, to the beginning of the filler plug threads.

1 litre is not sufficient to do both, together they take slightly more.
mmgee123attached an image, i only added 3 quarts of oil to my k100 but everything says i need 4, but it’s right on the dot. is this okay or should i add the other quart?
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The engine oil question is there amongst the posts.

Note: GL5 of your viscosity choice is 260cc (.3 qt/.26 litre maximum - page 70 of manual) in the final drive and 850cc +/- 5cc in the gearbox.


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"How many cars did we pass today?" "ALL of them."
1977 R75/7-100, '93 K11/K12 Big Block, '93 K1100RS, '95 R100 Mystic, '96 K1100RS, 2 x '98 K1200RS, '06 K1200R & '09 K1300GT
    

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Point-Seven-five

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RS Rider wrote:
Point-Seven-five wrote:My bikes are very happy to get Walmart full synthetic 75/90 GL5.  The GL5 is the important part.  It means it is for transmissions without brass or bronze synchronizers.
 What are you guys in the USA paying for Red Line at Walmart? In Canada, 1L container is $38.95. Similarly, a 1L of Motul 75W-90 synthetic is approx $35. My Motul 90W mineral is $25 for a 2L jug.
I seem to recall spending about $8 a quart for the Walmart store brand the last time I bought it which was around 2 years ago. 

I have an ancestor or two who hail from Scotland so I have the Cheap Bastard gene.


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Present: 1991 K100RS "Moby Brick Too"
 
Past:
1994 K75RT "Ilsa, She Wolf of the SS"
1988 K100RS SE "Special Ed"
1994 K75S "Cheetos"
1992 K100RS "Moby Brick" R.I.P.
1982 Honda FT500
1979 Honda XR185
1977 Honda XL125
1974 Honda XL125
1972 OSSA Pioneer 250
1968 Kawasaki 175
    

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RS Rider

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Point-Seven-five wrote:
RS Rider wrote:
Point-Seven-five wrote:My bikes are very happy to get Walmart full synthetic 75/90 GL5.  The GL5 is the important part.  It means it is for transmissions without brass or bronze synchronizers.
 What are you guys in the USA paying for Red Line at Walmart? In Canada, 1L container is $38.95. Similarly, a 1L of Motul 75W-90 synthetic is approx $35. My Motul 90W mineral is $25 for a 2L jug.
I seem to recall spending about $8 a quart for the Walmart store brand the last time I bought it which was around 2 years ago. 

I have an ancestor or two who hail from Scotland so I have the Cheap Bastard gene.
 $8 a quart? WOW! That's a huge difference in price. I wonder why that is?


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Point-Seven-five

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As a cheap bastard I don't "waste" my money on "racing" lubes like Redline or Motul.  Rather I buy the Walmart store brand "Super Tech 75/90 full synthetic GL5" which my bikes are quite happy with.


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Present: 1991 K100RS "Moby Brick Too"
 
Past:
1994 K75RT "Ilsa, She Wolf of the SS"
1988 K100RS SE "Special Ed"
1994 K75S "Cheetos"
1992 K100RS "Moby Brick" R.I.P.
1982 Honda FT500
1979 Honda XR185
1977 Honda XL125
1974 Honda XL125
1972 OSSA Pioneer 250
1968 Kawasaki 175
    

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75/140 in the transmission
75/90 in the final drive

I run Mobil 1 usually but I think any full synth would be fine

For smoother shifting add 25 grams (half a tube) of Liqui-Moly 2019 to the transmission oil.


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Current stable:
86 Custom K100 (standard fairing, K75 Belly pan, Ceramic chromed engine covers, paralever)
K75 Frankenbrick (Paralever, K11 front end, hybrid ABS, K1100RS fairing, radial tires)
86 K75C Turbo w/ paralever
94 K1100RS
93 K1100LT
91 K1
93 K75S (K11 front end)
91 K75S (K1 front end)
14 Yamaha WR250R
98 Taxi Cab K1200RS
14 K1600GT
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RS Rider

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duck wrote:75/140 in the transmission
75/90 in the final drive

I run Mobil 1 usually but I think any full synth would be fine

For smoother shifting add 25 grams (half a tube) of Liqui-Moly 2019 to the transmission oil.
Why the higher viscosity in the gear box? Is it due to its proximity to engine heat?


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In a separate gearbox, there's no oil pump to push lubricant under pressure. So you can use hugh viscosity oil, that has better adhesive capacity and more resistance to the high forces applied on gears.
If you run your engine with 80w90 oil, it will loose a lot of power because of the succion resistance it implies, and will probably blow un the oil pump...


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RS Rider wrote:Why the higher viscosity in the gear box? Is it due to its proximity to engine heat?
In the transmission case are more gears and shafts needing their lubrication to adhere during hard usage than in the rear drive. 75/140, as cited, is a viscosity for extended steep grade riding, track usage, or for those who like to think of themselves as racers but aren't. Smile  The rest of us can use what BMW recommends in the rider's handbook.

As far as using 80w90 in the engine, don't use maple syrup in there either, no matter its color or how good it tastes. oil level question 112350


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duck

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75/140 shifts smoother. A 500 pound bike with only 75 hp has nothing to do with motorcycle racing.


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Current stable:
86 Custom K100 (standard fairing, K75 Belly pan, Ceramic chromed engine covers, paralever)
K75 Frankenbrick (Paralever, K11 front end, hybrid ABS, K1100RS fairing, radial tires)
86 K75C Turbo w/ paralever
94 K1100RS
93 K1100LT
91 K1
93 K75S (K11 front end)
91 K75S (K1 front end)
14 Yamaha WR250R
98 Taxi Cab K1200RS
14 K1600GT
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Track days aren't necessarily racing days, duck.  Smile  The pretenders are doing their Brick redlining out on the public highways. They don't let 500lbs interfere with their destinies. Laughing


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duck wrote:75/140 in the transmission
75/90 in the final drive
As well, in dry clutch Oilheads/Hexheads, & K1200RS/GT models with that superheated catalyst directly beneath it, we (various Pacific NW Beemer dealerships where I've worked) have recommended 75W140 in the gearbox - but not the final drive - for resistance to the heat and the fact that they do tend to shift slightly better. Sure, BMW specify GL5 75W90 or 80W90 in both locations, which is fine in any case.

I have also used 75W140 full synthetic GL5 in my two Airheads' gearboxes for many years.

Here's a link to an interesting (some of it outdated by now) article written by former BMWMOA tech writer Paul Glaves, about reasons for/against 75W140 & 75W90/80W90 gear oils, which was posted many years ago.

Paul Glaves article & customer receipt/complaint


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"How many cars did we pass today?" "ALL of them."
1977 R75/7-100, '93 K11/K12 Big Block, '93 K1100RS, '95 R100 Mystic, '96 K1100RS, 2 x '98 K1200RS, '06 K1200R & '09 K1300GT
    

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Laitch wrote:
As far as using 80w90 in the engine, don't use maple syrup in there either, no matter its color or how good it tastes. oil level question 112350

90 weight oil is not necessarily thicker than 50 weight.
The higher number identifies it as a gearbox oil, with certain characteristics (additives) that are appropriate for that use, and not for engines.

Check out this interesting chart.
oil level question Viscos10


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Laitch wrote:Track days aren't necessarily racing days, duck.  Smile  The pretenders are doing their Brick redlining out on the public highways. They don't let 500lbs interfere with their destinies. Laughing

Mesmerising.  The K75 rider appeared to be the only one enjoying himself.  

Looked like lots of people with all the gear but no idea.


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TacKler wrote:Mesmerising.  The K75 rider appeared to be the only one enjoying himself.  

Looked like lots of people with all the gear but no idea.
Nah. He just had to line up on the corners proper-like 'coz his brakes wasn't working and the red light was telling him not to fall off.








(I know I know. Just a busted brake switch somewhere)


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1983 K100 naked upgraded to K100LT spec after spending time as an RS and an RT
1987 K100RT
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That vid gives me flash backs to our KFest “Legends” ride at Castle Donnington…except we weren’t allowed to overtake and our speeds barely exceeded 40mph…which probably wouldn’t red line even in first gear.


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"Heidi" K100LT 1991 (Grey) (VIN 0190172 Engine No. 104EB 2590 2213) - 5th owner. January 2014 (34,000 - 82,818 miles and counting....)
"Gretel" K100LT 1989 (Silver Grey) (VIN 0177324 Engine No. 104EA 2789 2211) - 4th+ owner. September 2015 (82,684 miles and counting....). Cat C Insurance write-off rebuild Feb 17
"Donor" K100LT 1990 (Red)  (VIN 0178091 Engine gone to Dai) - 6th & final owner (crash write-off now donor bike).   June 2012 (73,000 miles) to November 2013 (89,500 miles)
    

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