2 Re: I got a shock Mon May 15, 2023 6:04 pm
Point-Seven-five
Life time member
I'm pretty sure it's not a Works Performance shock. Doesn't look like any of those shocks that have come through my garage. It might possibly be a Fox.
What is that large knob on the lower end of the reservoir? Is it a knurled aluminum knob? Is there another knurled ring on the lower end of the shock just above the mounting eye? If so, there is a chance you have a Fox Twin Clicker which is a pretty good unit that still has some rebuild parts available for it.
https://www.ridefox.com/service.php?m=moto
http://mahonkin.com/~milktree/motorcycle/fox-rebuild/Fox-twin-clicker-rebuild.pdf
http://evolutionsuspensionproducts.com/FTC.html
I've had several of those Fox Twin Clckers and rebuilt one of them myself. With adjustable preload, and compression and rebound damping you can get them adjusted for a pretty good ride. Of the 4 or 5 different shocks I've had on my Bricks the Fox is my favorite.
What is that large knob on the lower end of the reservoir? Is it a knurled aluminum knob? Is there another knurled ring on the lower end of the shock just above the mounting eye? If so, there is a chance you have a Fox Twin Clicker which is a pretty good unit that still has some rebuild parts available for it.
https://www.ridefox.com/service.php?m=moto
http://mahonkin.com/~milktree/motorcycle/fox-rebuild/Fox-twin-clicker-rebuild.pdf
http://evolutionsuspensionproducts.com/FTC.html
I've had several of those Fox Twin Clckers and rebuilt one of them myself. With adjustable preload, and compression and rebound damping you can get them adjusted for a pretty good ride. Of the 4 or 5 different shocks I've had on my Bricks the Fox is my favorite.
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Present: 1991 K100RS "Moby Brick Too"
Past:
1994 K75RT "Ilsa, She Wolf of the SS"
1988 K100RS SE "Special Ed"
1994 K75S "Cheetos"
1992 K100RS "Moby Brick" R.I.P.
1982 Honda FT500
1979 Honda XR185
1977 Honda XL125
1974 Honda XL125
1972 OSSA Pioneer 250
1968 Kawasaki 175
4 Re: I got a shock Tue May 16, 2023 8:19 am
lucki
Silver member
I looked at fox and it is close but the progressive shown is it. If anyone has had experience with this shock I would like to know. It ain't shiny now but if it is decent and works is will be shiny again.
5 Re: I got a shock Tue May 16, 2023 9:42 am
Laitch
Life time member
I haven't yet found any information about this relic.lucki wrote:I looked at fox and it is close but the progressive shown is it. If anyone has had experience with this shock I would like to know.
In the absence of information, I recommend that you contact Progressive's technical department directly by using this email address. In the Subject line write, Information about Old Progressive adaptive shock absorber, then describe the age of your Brick and the situation. If you can paste the photos of the component with the Progressive sticker and the shock itself from this thread into the email, so much the better.
6 Re: I got a shock Tue May 16, 2023 10:42 am
lucki
Silver member
Latch
Any chance you can see a.model or serial number on this shock?
Any chance you can see a.model or serial number on this shock?
7 Re: I got a shock Tue May 16, 2023 10:49 am
lucki
Silver member
As per your suggestion to contact progressive, just did it now. Put a tire pressure gauge on the valve, no pressure on tank. Will put in about 10psi see if it holds.
9 Re: I got a shock Tue May 16, 2023 11:47 am
duck
Life time member
That's an odd place to mount the reservoir. Usually people mount them on the right rear frame rail. Like this:
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10 Re: I got a shock Tue May 16, 2023 2:02 pm
Point-Seven-five
Life time member
10 psi is not enough to know if it holds pressure. Those reservoirs are nitrogen charged with at least 150 to as much as 300psi. The amount of gas charge is pretty small, so it's possible it all came out when you tried to check it.
Tire gauges are not the way to check them. They require a special test/charge setup and a high pressure(1000psi bottle) nitrogen source. That charge is the only part of a rebuild that you should leave to a shop.
Tire gauges are not the way to check them. They require a special test/charge setup and a high pressure(1000psi bottle) nitrogen source. That charge is the only part of a rebuild that you should leave to a shop.
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Present: 1991 K100RS "Moby Brick Too"
Past:
1994 K75RT "Ilsa, She Wolf of the SS"
1988 K100RS SE "Special Ed"
1994 K75S "Cheetos"
1992 K100RS "Moby Brick" R.I.P.
1982 Honda FT500
1979 Honda XR185
1977 Honda XL125
1974 Honda XL125
1972 OSSA Pioneer 250
1968 Kawasaki 175
11 Re: I got a shock Tue May 16, 2023 2:48 pm
lucki
Silver member
Confused now. So can it be used as is or scrap it. I'm not going to be scraping the pegs.
12 Re: I got a shock Tue May 16, 2023 3:45 pm
Laitch
Life time member
It's capacity to hold oil and gas pressure to function as intended needs to be determined by an experienced technician with suitable gauges and tools. Control of a motorcycle can be lost without scraping peg; just hitting ruts or potholes at speed can cause handling control problems if the rear shock isn't working correctly.lucki wrote: So can it be used as is or scrap it. I'm not going to be scraping the pegs.
13 Re: I got a shock Tue May 16, 2023 4:32 pm
Point-Seven-five
Life time member
Are there any motorcycle shops in your area? It sounds like you live in a rural area.
If you can find a shop that sells sleds, ATV's and bikes, their shop will probably be able to do some rebuilding. They can at least remove and install the spring and charge the reservoir. Those are the only jobs you might not be able to do yourself.
You have nothing to lose with your present shock. It sounds like you have removed the gas charge, so if you can remove the spring you can play a bit with the rest of the shock.
The reservoir should have either a floating piston or a bladder that keeps the nitrogen from mixing with the oil. One end of the reservoir will have a cap that is either threaded on or held in place by a ring in a groove.
The shaft and piston in the body of the shock are held in place by a threaded cap on the end of the shock body. There are several different ways these caps are turned to loosen them. A good close up photo with the spring removed will help identify what tool you need.
Internal parts usually include a shaft seal and a handful of o-rings to seal the pistons in the body and the reservoir. If you find a bladder in the reservoir and it has a hole in it, unless Progressive can replace it, that will be the end of the line. Otherwise, an evening of puttering and a few bucks in parts will get you back on the road.
If you can find a shop that sells sleds, ATV's and bikes, their shop will probably be able to do some rebuilding. They can at least remove and install the spring and charge the reservoir. Those are the only jobs you might not be able to do yourself.
You have nothing to lose with your present shock. It sounds like you have removed the gas charge, so if you can remove the spring you can play a bit with the rest of the shock.
The reservoir should have either a floating piston or a bladder that keeps the nitrogen from mixing with the oil. One end of the reservoir will have a cap that is either threaded on or held in place by a ring in a groove.
The shaft and piston in the body of the shock are held in place by a threaded cap on the end of the shock body. There are several different ways these caps are turned to loosen them. A good close up photo with the spring removed will help identify what tool you need.
Internal parts usually include a shaft seal and a handful of o-rings to seal the pistons in the body and the reservoir. If you find a bladder in the reservoir and it has a hole in it, unless Progressive can replace it, that will be the end of the line. Otherwise, an evening of puttering and a few bucks in parts will get you back on the road.
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Present: 1991 K100RS "Moby Brick Too"
Past:
1994 K75RT "Ilsa, She Wolf of the SS"
1988 K100RS SE "Special Ed"
1994 K75S "Cheetos"
1992 K100RS "Moby Brick" R.I.P.
1982 Honda FT500
1979 Honda XR185
1977 Honda XL125
1974 Honda XL125
1972 OSSA Pioneer 250
1968 Kawasaki 175
14 Re: I got a shock Fri Jun 02, 2023 11:41 am
lucki
Silver member
Took it out for first run yesterday, about 20km on rough roads. I must do something about that rear shock. Try to have it filled .
Anyone have a suggestion about low cost replacement.
Looked on ebay, some vendors in Italy , anyone delt with them?
Anyone have a suggestion about low cost replacement.
Looked on ebay, some vendors in Italy , anyone delt with them?
15 Re: I got a shock Fri Jun 02, 2023 12:10 pm
Point-Seven-five
Life time member
Can you see any oil leaking at the shaft? If not you may be able to get away with a recharge.
Have you been able to get a response from Progressive? I would think they could provide you with information on charging and/rebuilding your shock. I suspect that you may have lost the gas charge when tried to check it. Without a specification for the pressure I would give it a try at 150psi.
Are there any shops nearby that sell and service ATV's? A lot of the ATV's now have gas shocks and the service departments should be set up to charge them. If you take the shock to them they can usually charge it in 10 minutes for about $20. It's not rocket surgery, basically, it's like putting some air in a tire, just at a much higher pressure.
The pressure is needed to prevent cavitation of the oil as the piston travels up and down, and to put some pressure on the lips of the shaft seal to help prevent leaks.
Have you been able to get a response from Progressive? I would think they could provide you with information on charging and/rebuilding your shock. I suspect that you may have lost the gas charge when tried to check it. Without a specification for the pressure I would give it a try at 150psi.
Are there any shops nearby that sell and service ATV's? A lot of the ATV's now have gas shocks and the service departments should be set up to charge them. If you take the shock to them they can usually charge it in 10 minutes for about $20. It's not rocket surgery, basically, it's like putting some air in a tire, just at a much higher pressure.
The pressure is needed to prevent cavitation of the oil as the piston travels up and down, and to put some pressure on the lips of the shaft seal to help prevent leaks.
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Present: 1991 K100RS "Moby Brick Too"
Past:
1994 K75RT "Ilsa, She Wolf of the SS"
1988 K100RS SE "Special Ed"
1994 K75S "Cheetos"
1992 K100RS "Moby Brick" R.I.P.
1982 Honda FT500
1979 Honda XR185
1977 Honda XL125
1974 Honda XL125
1972 OSSA Pioneer 250
1968 Kawasaki 175
16 Re: I got a shock Fri Jun 02, 2023 12:57 pm
lucki
Silver member
Got a reply from progressive, said it was a 420 no rebuild kit. So if does not hold pressure it is junk. No visible oil leaks.
I suspect will be looking for aftermarket shock. Ideas?
I suspect will be looking for aftermarket shock. Ideas?
17 Re: I got a shock Fri Jun 02, 2023 11:57 pm
lucki
Silver member
Yikes, shop wanted $100 to charge shock! Might as well put the 100 towards a new one, but which one.
Looked On ebay, saw lots of Chinese and Italian shocks bewildered.
For all I ride not willing to pay a fortune.
Looked On ebay, saw lots of Chinese and Italian shocks bewildered.
For all I ride not willing to pay a fortune.
18 Re: I got a shock Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:40 am
Point-Seven-five
Life time member
I have an OEM shock that works around here somewhere. I can't remember what I paid for it, but you can have it for $25 plus shipping.
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Present: 1991 K100RS "Moby Brick Too"
Past:
1994 K75RT "Ilsa, She Wolf of the SS"
1988 K100RS SE "Special Ed"
1994 K75S "Cheetos"
1992 K100RS "Moby Brick" R.I.P.
1982 Honda FT500
1979 Honda XR185
1977 Honda XL125
1974 Honda XL125
1972 OSSA Pioneer 250
1968 Kawasaki 175
19 Re: I got a shock Sat Jun 03, 2023 4:17 pm
lucki
Silver member
I may take you up on that generous offer. However, today my neighbour who is lead mechanic for a snowmobile dealership came over. He is taking the shock in to work monday. Said likely. Gas leaking by the piston in the canister. Also he has seals that might fit. Felt if all goes well might get a couple more years out of it. For 50 bucks seems worth a shot. I'll let you know how it goes.
20 Re: I got a shock Sat Jun 03, 2023 5:20 pm
Point-Seven-five
Life time member
That's good news!
You know, somebody put that shock together, so somebody else should be able to take it apart and replace the worn parts. Let's hope your neighbor can do it.
You know, somebody put that shock together, so somebody else should be able to take it apart and replace the worn parts. Let's hope your neighbor can do it.
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Present: 1991 K100RS "Moby Brick Too"
Past:
1994 K75RT "Ilsa, She Wolf of the SS"
1988 K100RS SE "Special Ed"
1994 K75S "Cheetos"
1992 K100RS "Moby Brick" R.I.P.
1982 Honda FT500
1979 Honda XR185
1977 Honda XL125
1974 Honda XL125
1972 OSSA Pioneer 250
1968 Kawasaki 175
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