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Shep

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Brand new battery (AJC ATX20L) from a Canadian Supplier called Battery Clerk.
Battery is 12 V, 18 Ah, CCA 270 A, AGM technology.
Installed in bike 1987 K100 RS, with no ABS and no alarm on bike. Charge topped up with NOCO charger.
Over three days 12.8 V drops to 12.3 V then on day four it is sitting at 10.5 volts! Used a Fluke meter to verify  the reading. Only load on battery would be the BMW digital clock and a digital Voltmeter readout plugged in to the 12 V outlet under the seat.
What am I missing?
Shep


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Model        Production Date/Serial Number
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K100RS      1986 Dec/ (H0142581)
    

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BobT

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Battery is a duff one. It should hold its charge for weeks. There is nothing on a stationary bike that would draw enough current to drain a battery like that. Even having ABS would make no difference.

    

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Dai

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What Bob says. It's screwed.


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1983 K100 naked upgraded to K100LT spec after spending time as an RS and an RT
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1978 Moto Guzzi 850-T3, 1979 Moto Guzzi 850-T3 California,1993 Moto Guzzi 1100ie California
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Point-Seven-five

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Take it out of the bike and put a full 12.8v charge on it. Let it sit for a day and check the voltage. Then take it back to the dealer for a load test. That should tell the dealer if the battery is indeed toast.


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Present: 1991 K100RS "Moby Brick Too"
 
Past:
1994 K75RT "Ilsa, She Wolf of the SS"
1988 K100RS SE "Special Ed"
1994 K75S "Cheetos"
1992 K100RS "Moby Brick" R.I.P.
1982 Honda FT500
1979 Honda XR185
1977 Honda XL125
1974 Honda XL125
1972 OSSA Pioneer 250
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yamaguzzi

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When fully charged  if you remove a terminal does it still drop in voltage while in the bike ? If so the battery is toast if not the problem is in the bike


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BobT

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Point-Seven-five wrote:Take it out of the bike and put a full 12.8v charge on it.  Let it sit for a day and check the voltage.  Then take it back to the dealer for a load test.  That should tell the dealer if the battery is indeed toast.
Why? If you run the bike then it will put 14v or so into the battery and do the same.

    

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Point-Seven-five

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The idea is to see if there is an internal short vs a parasitic load on the the bike that is pulling the battery down. Follow that with a load test at the battery store, and you have an excellent argument for a replacement battery.


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Present: 1991 K100RS "Moby Brick Too"
 
Past:
1994 K75RT "Ilsa, She Wolf of the SS"
1988 K100RS SE "Special Ed"
1994 K75S "Cheetos"
1992 K100RS "Moby Brick" R.I.P.
1982 Honda FT500
1979 Honda XR185
1977 Honda XL125
1974 Honda XL125
1972 OSSA Pioneer 250
1968 Kawasaki 175
    

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92KK 84WW Olaf

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No chance you fitted a permanently live USB outlet......?


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1992 K100LT 0193214 Bertha Blue 101,000 miles
1984 K100RT 0022575 Brutus Baja Red 578 bought 36,000 now 89,150 miles
1997 K1100LT 0188024 Wotan Mystic Red 689 58,645 now 106,950 miles Deceased.
1983 K100RS 0011157 Fricka 606 Alaska Blue 29,495 miles Damn K Pox Its a Bat outta Hell Now 58,200 miles. 
1996 K1100LT 0233004 Lohengrin Mystic Red 38,000 miles currently 51,800 miles.
1983 K100RS 0004449 Odette R100 colours 58,000 miles. Sprint fairing now 63,390 miles

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1971 Yamaha 125 YAS-1
1968 Honda 125 SS
1970 Honda CD 175
1973 Honda CB500-4
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Rick G

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BobT wrote:Battery is a duff one. It should hold its charge for weeks. There is nothing on a stationary bike that would draw enough current to drain a battery like that. Even having ABS would make no difference.
Having ABS can make a difference both my K1100 and my wife's K75 had faulty ABS and it was caused by leaky transistors and it was discharging the battery in about 5 days. If all is well then ABS or not there should not be a difference but most of these bikes are around 30 years and these type of electrical problems tend to surface after about 20 years.


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BobT

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Are you saying that the ABS is drawing power when the ignition is switched off? Sounds like something is wrong there.

    

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Rick G

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BobT wrote:Are you saying that the ABS is drawing power when the ignition is switched off? Sounds like something is wrong there.
YES Bob that is what I am saying the ABS unit has switched and unswitched power so a leaky transistor can and will cause the battery to discharge.


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"Man sacrifices his health in order to make money.
Then he sacrifices money to recuperate his health.
And then he is so anxious about the future that he does not enjoy the present; the result being that he does not live in the present or the future; he lives as if he is never going to die, and then dies having never really lived."   Dalai Lama


Bikes 1999 K1100 LT with a Big Block 1200
    

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Point-Seven-five

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Ummm... The OP's bike doesn't have ABS.


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Present: 1991 K100RS "Moby Brick Too"
 
Past:
1994 K75RT "Ilsa, She Wolf of the SS"
1988 K100RS SE "Special Ed"
1994 K75S "Cheetos"
1992 K100RS "Moby Brick" R.I.P.
1982 Honda FT500
1979 Honda XR185
1977 Honda XL125
1974 Honda XL125
1972 OSSA Pioneer 250
1968 Kawasaki 175
    

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Rick G

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Point-Seven-five wrote:Ummm... The OP's bike doesn't have ABS.
Yes I realize that but I was responding to what Bob had said earlier. "Even having ABS would make no difference."


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"Man sacrifices his health in order to make money.
Then he sacrifices money to recuperate his health.
And then he is so anxious about the future that he does not enjoy the present; the result being that he does not live in the present or the future; he lives as if he is never going to die, and then dies having never really lived."   Dalai Lama


Bikes 1999 K1100 LT with a Big Block 1200
    

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gorio

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A quick check by sticking a amp meter between the battery positive post and the positive cable/cables running to the bike will tell you if there is leakage with the key off. If there is you can then check fuse by fuse to isolate the circuit that has an issue.

Or at least that is what I do.


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