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EnJCoop

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Hi all,
I suspected a faulty crown wheel bearing and took the final drive apart.
I actually couldn't really feel any play in it.
The smaller roller bearing however seemed to have way too much play in it, but then I don't know how much is too much.How much play? Img_1810
This is me squeezing the tapered bearing and the outer race moving a lot it seems to me...
What do you think?
How do I get it off and how do I extract the seat in the other half of the final drive?
Any answers appreciated.
Neal

    

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EnJCoop

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Otherwise the whole thing looked in pretty good shape to me...How much play? Img_1811

    

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How much play? Img_1812

    

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The play you get like that means nothing it will reduce to almost nothing when assembled. You can tell more about wear on a roller bearing by looking at the state of the bearing surface of the cup which is the bit that is difficult to get out. To me it looks fairly worn because of the colour of the wearing surface, a dull grey and not bright silver. If you replace that bearing then you will need to reset the gears using shims etc. Best left to an expert.


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Thanks for that. So the play would not account for very small amount of play when trying to move the rear wheel as described in the manual - gripping in the 12 oclock 6 oclock position and pushing/pulling?

    

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It is quite possible as only a small amount of play in the bearing would account for even 1mm of play at the wheel extremities. To me that bearing is on the way out but it is very hard to say when the item is not in my hand. Take it to a bearing place they should know.


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My friend over here who rebuilds final drives did say once you feel any play at the rear wheel you have trouble and if you get it early you save the final drive. The only part at that point to replace seems to be the bearing. In my case I was sensitive to a very minor difference in feel and had asked him for a second opinion as at that point it felt different but felt like it had no play in it.

I am with RickG on what he posted. The trick on reassembly is to get that point where there is no play but its not binding.


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8Back to top Go down   How much play? Empty Re: How much play? Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:10 pm

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To remove the outer bearing race from the hub requires a 'blind hole' puller. This uses an expanding collet to grip on the fine chamfer on the bearing and a slide hammer to provide the shock to pull the bearing out.

Such as:
 http://sykes-pickavant.com/products/pullers-and-separators/mechanical-pullers-and-kits/856

If you are a member of The BMW Club (UK) then they have a tool hire facility which has the required special tools.

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RicK G wrote:It is quite possible as only a small amount of play in the bearing would account for even 1mm of play at the wheel extremities.
This, I had 1mm of play at the outside of the tyre but to handle the crown wheel bearing you wouldn't have known anything was wrong. The only giveaway is it feels a bit rough when you spin the outer race.

The tapered bearing is loose like that and hardly ever seems to wear, I wouldn't worry about it.


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OK I get what you're saying. Thanks for taking the time to reply.

    

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EnJCoop

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mike d wrote:To remove the outer bearing race from the hub requires a 'blind hole' puller. This uses an expanding collet to grip on the fine chamfer on the bearing and a slide hammer to provide the shock to pull the bearing out.

Such as:
 http://sykes-pickavant.com/products/pullers-and-separators/mechanical-pullers-and-kits/856

If you are a member of The BMW Club (UK) then they have a tool hire facility which has the required special tools.

Mike
Thanks Mike. Cheers for the link too!

    

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What do you all think of this? I found it very informative.

    

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It's the best guide around! A guy on here recently cut his old bearing off (or he was going to..?), might be a good way to attack the most difficult part of the process.


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