Aftermarket Alarm Removal

DBRMN · 1 Aftermarket Alarm Removal Sun Jan 20, 2019 3:28 pm

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Ok so I know I've talked about this before earlier in my bike build, but its starting to do my head it. I have found an aftermarket alarm fitted to my K100, when I purchased the bike the owner told me it wasn't switched on and that I didn't need to worry about it, in hindsight I probably should of asked for more detail. However it is currently ruining my sleek empty look I was going for.

So what I have tried already is simply slowly unplugging each wire and checking the engine still turns over. However after a few wire the engine does not. Besides this I have no idea what else to do.

Does anyone have any experience with any alarms? or know how they work and therefore how to remove them, back to stock?

In terms of branding, the alarm appears to have no brand name on it, so I can't research it further. Here are some pictures:

Any help would be much appreciated.
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prince · 2 Re: Aftermarket Alarm Removal Sun Jan 20, 2019 4:12 pm

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I think you are going to have to trace each wire back to where it is attached to the factory wiring.

Somewhere along the line a factory wire(s) has been cut and rerouted to the mysterious black box.

Then do a wiredectomy.

duck · 3 Re: Aftermarket Alarm Removal Sun Jan 20, 2019 4:35 pm

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Aftermarket Alarm Removal K100_Early_Wiring_Diagram

DBRMN · 4 Re: Aftermarket Alarm Removal Sun Jan 20, 2019 6:01 pm

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prince wrote:I think you are going to have to trace each wire back to where it is attached to the factory wiring.

Somewhere along the line a factory wire(s) has been cut and rerouted to the mysterious black box.

Then do a wiredectomy.

I've heard that an alarm only needs to intercept and reroute a factory wire, which is the only critical one, aka the wire that is doing all the immobilising, is this right?

DBRMN · 5 Re: Aftermarket Alarm Removal Sun Jan 20, 2019 6:02 pm

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duck wrote:

The immobiliser on that diagram looks alot simpler than the one I have which makes me think mine is after market? As that one seems to only have four connectors, whereas mine has like 9.

duck · 6 Re: Aftermarket Alarm Removal Sun Jan 20, 2019 7:52 pm

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The reason I posted that wiring diagram was so that you'd know what the wiring should be like without an alarm.

DBRMN · 7 Re: Aftermarket Alarm Removal Sun Jan 20, 2019 8:17 pm

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duck wrote:The reason I posted that wiring diagram was so that you'd know what the wiring should be like without an alarm.

Ohhh right thank you.

Laitch · 8 Re: Aftermarket Alarm Removal Mon Jan 21, 2019 4:52 am

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DBRMN wrote:The immobiliser on that diagram looks alot simpler than the one I have which makes me think mine is after market? As that one seems to only have four connectors, whereas mine has like 9.

Does it look like this one?

DBRMN · 9 Re: Aftermarket Alarm Removal Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:56 am

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Laitch wrote:

DBRMN wrote:The immobiliser on that diagram looks alot simpler than the one I have which makes me think mine is after market? As that one seems to only have four connectors, whereas mine has like 9.

Does it look like this one?

I think it might, let me have a look today to see more specifically, but this diagram looks promising thank you.

DBRMN · 10 Re: Aftermarket Alarm Removal Mon Jan 21, 2019 4:46 pm

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DBRMN wrote:

Laitch wrote:

DBRMN wrote:The immobiliser on that diagram looks alot simpler than the one I have which makes me think mine is after market? As that one seems to only have four connectors, whereas mine has like 9.

Does it look like this one?

I think it might, let me have a look today to see more specifically, but this diagram looks promising thank you.

Ok It does look like that I think, so what is that, is there a manual for it, or how would you disconnect it??

Laitch · 11 Re: Aftermarket Alarm Removal Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:58 pm

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DBRMN. . . wrote:It does look like that I think, so what is that, is there a manual for it, or how would you disconnect it??

That is a diagram from a different BMW alarm. Alarms disable vehicles by various means and some have backup systems if one disabling circuit has been overcome. As has already been suggested, you might need to trace where the wires attach and label them.

To begin, check at the starter relay. There might be a tap from the alarm into a terminal on the relay that you can restore to its original function configuration. Compare what you see with what is on the diagram duck provided.

DBRMN · 12 Re: Aftermarket Alarm Removal Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:11 pm

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Laitch wrote:

DBRMN. . . wrote:It does look like that I think, so what is that, is there a manual for it, or how would you disconnect it??

That is a diagram from a different BMW alarm. Alarms disable vehicles by various means and some have backup systems if one disabling circuit has been overcome. As has already been suggested, you might need to trace where the wires attach and label them.

To begin, check at the starter relay. There might be a tap from the alarm into a terminal on the relay that you can restore to its original function configuration. Compare what you see with what is on the diagram duck provided.

Ok thank you this is helpful, does it have to be done in a specific order? or just start with the first one I see and start restoring back to factory? This sounds like a much bigger job than I thought. I'll keep this thread updated.

duck · 13 Re: Aftermarket Alarm Removal Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:22 pm

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If you do the following it would be easier for us to help you get things back to what the factory wiring was like:

Follow each wire from the alarm unit and document the color(s) of each factory wire that each alarm wire connects to.

DBRMN · 14 Re: Aftermarket Alarm Removal Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:27 pm

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duck wrote:If you do the following it would be easier for us to help you get things back to what the factory wiring was like:

Follow each wire from the alarm unit and document the color(s) of each factory wire that each alarm wire connects to.

Ok so on closer inspection my alarm seems to have letters on each of its wires. So what I'll do is say what letters go to which colours.

Here is a picture of what I mean:

Laitch · 15 Re: Aftermarket Alarm Removal Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:28 pm

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DBRMN wrote:does it have to be done in a specific order? or just start with the first one I see and start restoring back to factory?

Why not start where I suggested? Otherwise, flip a coin.

duck · 16 Re: Aftermarket Alarm Removal Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:46 pm

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Ok so on closer inspection my alarm seems to have letters on each of its wires. So what I'll do is say what letters go to which colours.

Yes, typically an alarm system will cut into one or many circuits like:

Starting
ECU power
Horn

What we need to do is figure how to take out the alarm and reconnect those circuits as they were before the alarm was installed.

DBRMN · 17 Re: Aftermarket Alarm Removal Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:00 pm

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Ok so here's my plan, first step label everything and draw a diagram to show what named wires from the alarm go to what colour wire on the bike. Then as you said Laitch, then start with starter relay, and go from there. Does that sound logical?

prince · 18 Re: Aftermarket Alarm Removal Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:09 pm

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Don't over think it.

Factory wires have been cut and rerouted to the alarm box. Trace those wires back to the factory wiring and reconnect. Also, trace back to the original wires and remove taps.

duck · 19 Re: Aftermarket Alarm Removal Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:32 pm

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prince wrote:Don't over think it.

Factory wires have been cut and rerouted to the alarm box. Trace those wires back to the factory wiring and reconnect. Also, trace back to the original wires and remove taps.

Exactly.

duck · 20 Re: Aftermarket Alarm Removal Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:37 pm

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Also be sure to disconnect the battery before messing with any wiring in the relay box. One of the starter relay terminals (rear if from the factory) is directly wired to the battery and always "hot."

DBRMN · 21 Re: Aftermarket Alarm Removal Tue Jan 22, 2019 9:59 am

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Ok I'll give it a crack hopefully it works and I don't end up with more problems than when I started.

Good tip duck, thanks.

Suzi Q · 22 Re: Aftermarket Alarm Removal Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:37 am

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duck wrote:

prince wrote:Don't over think it.

Factory wires have been cut and rerouted to the alarm box. Trace those wires back to the factory wiring and reconnect. Also, trace back to the original wires and remove taps.

Exactly.

Best advice above.

It's usually easy enough to spot the alarm wiring that was added in - the wires themselves will be 'different' / there'll be insulation tape - not proper cloth loom tape / there'll be different connectors, or soldering, or crimps. Look carefully and it should start to reveal itself.

There'll be 3 main areas where the alarm hooks into to original bike:

1. Where the alarm gets its power & ground from - a big ugly inline fuse usually gives the live supply away. The ground wire will just be a black wire running out from the alarm box to a convenient brown wire or earth point on the bike. (Love the way that brown is earth on your vehicle and live in your dumb European harmonised house, at least it keeps you on your toes)

2. Where the alarm taps into the individual indicators - the BM wiring is blue/black and blue/red for the indicators. These alarm wires might be individually fused.

3. Where the alarm immobilises the bike - most aftermarket alarms go for the low hanging fruit on this one. In the BM's case there's a black/yellow wire that powers the starter relay. Most installers will cut into this and reroute it via the alarm's internal relay to provide the immobiliser function. I'll have a quid on this being the case on your bike. This (the OE black/yellow wire) is the only thing that you have to rejoin in order to get the bike running.

There might be some facility for the alarm to be overridden with it's own keyswitch, in case of malfunction. This should be easy to spot - just trace the all the wires from the alarm box and you'll come across it if there is one.

The alarm might also have a remote doohickey - anti-tilt sensor.

Keep us posted & good luck.

And no, I have never stolen a bike.

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Suzi Q · 23 Re: Aftermarket Alarm Removal Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:53 am

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Does this post need deleting after the problem's sorted?

DBRMN · 24 Re: Aftermarket Alarm Removal Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:28 pm

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chris846 wrote:

duck wrote:

prince wrote:Don't over think it.

Factory wires have been cut and rerouted to the alarm box. Trace those wires back to the factory wiring and reconnect. Also, trace back to the original wires and remove taps.

Exactly.

Best advice above.

It's usually easy enough to spot the alarm wiring that was added in - the wires themselves will be 'different' / there'll be insulation tape - not proper cloth loom tape / there'll be different connectors, or soldering, or crimps. Look carefully and it should start to reveal itself.

There'll be 3 main areas where the alarm hooks into to original bike:

1. Where the alarm gets its power & ground from - a big ugly inline fuse usually gives the live supply away. The ground wire will just be a black wire running out from the alarm box to a convenient brown wire or earth point on the bike. (Love the way that brown is earth on your vehicle and live in your dumb European harmonised house, at least it keeps you on your toes)

2. Where the alarm taps into the individual indicators - the BM wiring is green/blue and green/black for the indicators. These alarm wires might be individually fused.

3. Where the alarm immobilises the bike - most aftermarket alarms go for the low hanging fruit on this one. In the BM's case there's a black/yellow wire that powers the starter relay. Most installers will cut into this and reroute it via the alarm's internal relay to provide the immobiliser function. I'll have a quid on this being the case on your bike. This (the OE black/yellow wire) is the only thing that you have to rejoin in order to get the bike running.

There might be some facility for the alarm to be overridden with it's own keyswitch, in case of malfunction. This should be easy to spot - just trace the all the wires from the alarm box and you'll come across it if there is one.

The alarm might also have a remote doohickey - anti-tilt sensor.

Keep us posted & good luck.

And no, I have never stolen a bike.

Wow thank you yes this looks very helpful, I planning on tackling this next week, so I'll let you all know how it all goes as stuff happens. Sadly my time on my bike is going to slowly decrease with A Levels slowly creeping in Sad

DBRMN · 25 Re: Aftermarket Alarm Removal Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:29 pm

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chris846 wrote:Does this post need deleting after the problem's sorted?

What as a safety thing?

DBRMN · 26 Re: Aftermarket Alarm Removal Mon Jan 28, 2019 9:58 pm

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I think this is going to be actually possible at my skill level. I had a spare minute today to follow a few wires and I found a green wire that was cut sent to the alarm then came out of the alarm and joined another green wire in a very similar place on the bike (within a centimetre of each other), so that gave me a pretty good indication these two wires were supposed to be joined.

Thats all I got round to so far but I'll keep you all updated.

Suzi Q · 27 Re: Aftermarket Alarm Removal Mon Jan 28, 2019 11:05 pm

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Sounds like you'll succeed

....but not if you follow my advice - I've amended my original post 'cause I got the indicator wire colouring wrong, soz.

If you have a look at Duck's wiring diagram, you'll see that the green wire in the original loom is what get's powered up when the ignition is switched On. That might be what the alarm installer cut into to immobilise the bike - that fact that it was cut and rerouted via the alarm module (probs an internal set of contacts that open when the alarm is activated - giving the same effect as switching the ignition Off) might indicate this?

Keep going.

IainM · 28 Re: Aftermarket Alarm Removal Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:25 am

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Hi, I know there are a myriad possibilities in the wiring but I removed an alarm from a '86 model of the K100RS which was identical to your pic. I found the following ..

The 'green' wire under the tank had been intercepted and looped through the alarm box.
Alarm was also hooked into the 'anti-theft systems' 4-pole circular connector inside the relay box where it can pick up power, horn enable and immobilize the bike using the the over-temp circuit.
There were also alarm connections into the blue/black and blue/red indicator circuits in the relay box to flash the lights.
There was a dedicated 2-wire circuit for an IR sensor for the alarm's key fob.

This might help. Best plan is to take your time and understand the purpose for each wire before it is removed so the bike runs and works as it should when you're finished.

btw I removed the alarm to cut down the parasitic drain on the battery from 45mA to 4.7mA.

Iain

DBRMN · 29 Re: Aftermarket Alarm Removal Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:39 pm

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Haven't had much time due to tests, however the green wire I found I have re soldered together. However that is it, haven't had a chance to test it yet.

DBRMN · 30 Re: Aftermarket Alarm Removal Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:30 pm

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Good news, managed to test the bike yesterday. It switches on. Check. It turns over. Check. So it safe to say one wire is done, slow but steady progress. I am going to rewire the wire I cut though cause it was a terrible connection, because I was trying to get it into the original connector but didn't have enough wire etc, so Im just going to bypass the connector.

DBRMN · 31 Re: Aftermarket Alarm Removal Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:51 pm

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SOLVED! So this green wire we talked about. I did a nice soldering joint back together with some heat shrink, tested the bike again, turns over. So I got excited and just started unplugging it all and seeing whether the bike would turn over. And it did. So I was standing there with the alarm in my hand and the bike still turning over. So I'm going to keep the alarm until I actually test it starts. But this is very promising.

prince · 32 Re: Aftermarket Alarm Removal Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:45 pm

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Awesome news

DBRMN · 33 Re: Aftermarket Alarm Removal Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:56 pm

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prince wrote:Awesome news

You were right I was overthinking it, was a lot easier than I was expecting. Very happy.

mike d · 34 Re: Aftermarket Alarm Removal Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:53 am

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A good start, however I don't want to rain on your parade, but just because the bike turns over on the starter doesn't mean some of the other wires weren't there to cut power to the ignition coils or injectors.

Have you checked these are operating?

Mike

DBRMN · 35 Re: Aftermarket Alarm Removal Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:19 pm

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mike d wrote:A good start, however I don't want to rain on your parade, but just because the bike turns over on the starter doesn't mean some of the other wires weren't there to cut power to the ignition coils or injectors.

Have you checked these are operating?

Mike

This was my fear, this is why I haven't thrown the alarm away yet. I'll do a bit more investigating, I can test the spark plugs but not the injectors until I actually come to putting petrol in the bike. My main cause for celebration is that before when I unplugged it it wouldn't turn over. But your probably right.

mike d · 36 Re: Aftermarket Alarm Removal Thu Feb 14, 2019 2:11 pm

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It may be difficult with engine spinning on the starter, but you may be able to hear the injectors pulsing/clicking. If you have access to an oscilloscope you could check the injectors with that.

Mike

DBRMN · 37 Re: Aftermarket Alarm Removal Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:07 pm

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mike d wrote:It may be difficult with engine spinning on the starter, but you may be able to hear the injectors pulsing/clicking. If you have access to an oscilloscope you could check the injectors with that.

Mike

Whats an oscilloscope?

duck · 38 Re: Aftermarket Alarm Removal Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:18 pm

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DBRMN wrote:

Whats an oscilloscope?

It's a device that provides a graphical representation of voltage when it's oscillating.

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Dai · 39 Re: Aftermarket Alarm Removal Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:26 pm

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DBRMN wrote:Whats an oscilloscope?

Can't.... resist....

What the hell do they teach you guys at school these days?????

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DBRMN · 40 Re: Aftermarket Alarm Removal Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:47 pm

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duck wrote:

DBRMN wrote:

Whats an oscilloscope?

It's a device that provides a graphical representation of voltage when it's oscillating.

Different to a multimeter?

DBRMN · 41 Re: Aftermarket Alarm Removal Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:48 pm

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Dai wrote:

DBRMN wrote:Whats an oscilloscope?

Can't.... resist....

What the hell do they teach you guys at school these days?????

Oh I could tell you all about the quark structure of an atom or why a current account deficit is bad for a countries terms of trade.... all the useful stuff.

Laitch · 42 Re: Aftermarket Alarm Removal Fri Feb 15, 2019 12:34 am

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DBRMN wrote:

Dai wrote:

DBRMN wrote:Whats an oscilloscope?

Can't.... resist....

What the hell do they teach you guys at school these days?????

Oh I could tell you all about the quark structure of an atom or why a current account deficit is bad for a countries terms of trade.... all the useful stuff.

Can you tell all about how to do a Google search?

DBRMN · 43 Re: Aftermarket Alarm Removal Fri Feb 15, 2019 1:49 am

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Laitch wrote:

DBRMN wrote:

Dai wrote:
Can't.... resist....

What the hell do they teach you guys at school these days?????

Oh I could tell you all about the quark structure of an atom or why a current account deficit is bad for a countries terms of trade.... all the useful stuff.

Can you tell all about how to do a Google search?

😂😂 you're so passive aggressive

Laitch · 44 Re: Aftermarket Alarm Removal Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:09 am

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DBRMN wrote:

Laitch wrote:Can you tell all about how to do a Google search?

😂😂 you're so passive aggressive

Is that a yes or a no? Laughing

Suzi Q · 45 Re: Aftermarket Alarm Removal Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:34 am

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So long as we're all learning....

I guess that's what forums have brought to the world; you've got guys working solidly together on here testing injectors with oscilloscopes...or with kitchen roll. Love it.

DBRMN · 46 Re: Aftermarket Alarm Removal Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:23 pm

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Tested the spark plugs, they spark so I'm going to assume that the injectors work aswell but if they don't we'll jump that hurdle when we get to it.

mike d · 47 Re: Aftermarket Alarm Removal Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:11 pm

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It's fine to wait (are you still in the middle of exams?), but as with most things in life, don't assume anything.

Mike

DBRMN · 48 Re: Aftermarket Alarm Removal Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:17 pm

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mike d wrote:It's fine to wait (are you still in the middle of exams?), but as with most things in life, don't assume anything.

Mike

Yeah I am I'm not going to be working on the bike till 16th of March now sadly, when I say assume I just mean when I come to start the bike in a months time and it doesn't start I'll know the spark plugs aren't the problem but the injectors might be.

mike d · 49 Re: Aftermarket Alarm Removal Sat Feb 16, 2019 4:56 pm

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Good luck in your exams. I am at an age when I don't need to worry about them anymore, and haven't for years. Very Happy

Mike

DBRMN · 50 Re: Aftermarket Alarm Removal Sat Feb 16, 2019 9:19 pm

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mike d wrote:Good luck in your exams. I am at an age when I don't need to worry about them anymore, and haven't for years.

Mike

Thank you! Can't wait to be exam free, still got uni after this Sad

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